Nightmare Still Not Over! Please Help :(

[Shifty1303]

Hi all,
 
some of you may remember my previous threads regarding some dwarf neon rainbows i had trouble with. i have lost several rainbows and now a couple of my barbs and there are still no signs that this issue is over.
 
i have run a full course of protozin which didnt help and last night added my final dose of a myxazin course (dont worry; i did observe the instructions for moving from protozin to myxazin - even phoned a chemist at waterlife to confirm safe practice).
 
this morning I found another barb dead who was looking bloated and had white stringy poo hanging off him yesterday evening. upon removing him from the aquarium he started bleeding on the tissue i left him on - something i have never seen happen with a dead fish
 
any and all opinions appreciated to help end this nightmare!

 

[cooledwhip]

There's something really wrong with those fish. Looks a little more than bloating. Maybe dropsy?
 
Maybe instead of putting fish into your tank knowing it's a SURE DEATH, how about you restart your tank so you don't murder any more fish?
 
If I had a tank where multiple fish had disease, the last thing I would do is add more fish.

 

[Ch4rlie]

Can you provide some specific details about this. Your post is fairly vague and I have not read your previous threads.
 
Perhaps if you could give the tank parameters, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, gH & kH.
 
Tank size & dimension?
 
How long has this tank been up and running?
 
Water temperature?
 
Full stockign & numbers of each?
 
Have you added anything new to the tank recently?
i.e plants, decor, substrate etc
 
Have you changed filter media or did a deep clean of filter & tank?
 
And why are you adding protozin and myxazin?
Did you have a diagnosis theory as to what is ailing your fish in order to know what to treat your fish with?
 
Answering all of these may help us get closer as to what may be happening in your tank. Process of elimination really.

There's something really wrong with those fish. Looks a little more than bloating. Maybe dropsy?
 
Maybe instead of putting fish into your tank knowing it's a SURE DEATH, how about you restart your tank so you don't murder any more fish?
 
If I had a tank where multiple fish had disease, the last thing I would do is add more fish.

 
I am not sure where you are seeing where the OP is putting in or adding fish to his tank?
 
Is this from a previous thread he has made?

 

[cooledwhip]

Can you provide some specific details about this. Your post is fairly vague and I have not read your previous threads.
 
Perhaps if you could give the tank parameters, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, gH & kH.
 
Tank size & dimension?
 
How long has this tank been up and running?
 
Water temperature?
 
Full stockign & numbers of each?
 
Have you added anything new to the tank recently?
i.e plants, decor, substrate etc
 
Have you changed filter media or did a deep clean of filter & tank?
 
And why are you adding protozin and myxazin?
Did you have a diagnosis theory as to what is ailing your fish in order to know what to treat your fish with?
 
Answering all of these may help us get closer as to what may be happening in your tank. Process of elimination really.

There's something really wrong with those fish. Looks a little more than bloating. Maybe dropsy?
 
Maybe instead of putting fish into your tank knowing it's a SURE DEATH, how about you restart your tank so you don't murder any more fish?
 
If I had a tank where multiple fish had disease, the last thing I would do is add more fish.

 
I am not sure where you are seeing where the OP is putting in or adding fish to his tank?
 
Is this from a previous thread he has made?

Yes also: " i have lost several rainbows and now a couple of my barbs "
 
After a single fish death, this should have been posted immediatley. Especially with a bump on the fish the size of an egg.

 

[Shifty1303]

Perhaps if you could give the tank parameters, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, gH & kH.
ammonia 0; nitrite 0; nitrate constantly 10-20ppm; GH 16; KH 8
Tank size & dimension?
fluval roma 200 - 200 litres
How long has this tank been up and running?
2 years; moved to new location 2 months ago but had absolutely no issues for 4weeks min after moving - all these problems started when I added 11 new praecox rainbows
Water temperature?
25.5 C
Full stockign & numbers of each?
**brackets indicate stocking levels when this issue started**
 
dwarf neon rainbow - 8 (14)
black ruby barb - 3 (5)
snakeskin barb - 0 (1)
panda cory - 14
bronze cory - 1
lemon tetra 9 (10)
glowlight tetra - 1
 
not overstocked by any means. my plan was to have shoals of 10-12 of each of lemons, rubies and rainbows and upgrade filter as necessary to cope
 
Have you added anything new to the tank recently? i.e plants, decor, substrate etc
only a piece of slate and a small plant - the tank is well planted
 
Have you changed filter media or did a deep clean of filter & tank?
only changing the carbon filter media on regular basis - do wash the sponges in tank water to remove all the debris but dont touch the biomax (fluval U4 filter)
 
And why are you adding protozin and myxazin?
Did you have a diagnosis theory as to what is ailing your fish in order to know what to treat your fish with?
symptoms suggested they were best course and LFS manager who spent an hour trying to diagnose problem with me suggested them (no one has figured out what is wrong yet conclusively). original symptoms included cotton wool fungus on fins and gills; one instatnce of pop-eye and some fin rot. current symptoms in tank include minor fin rot and one rainbow has a tiny amount of fungus on mouth. another barb also has tiny white things on body that dont look like ick or fungus to me. never seen them before. 
 
when i removed the most recently dead barb i could see tiny white lines and "bits" etc inside in its stomach/swim bladder area. it was also bleeding from its fin area. when i turned it over to examine the other side it filled with blood internally. is this a sign of parasites or something more sinister? first one to do this.
 
Answering all of these may help us get closer as to what may be happening in your tank. Process of elimination really.
 
cooledwhip, on 08 Jun 2016 - 3:55 PM, said:

There's something really wrong with those fish. Looks a little more than bloating. Maybe dropsy?
 
Maybe instead of putting fish into your tank knowing it's a SURE DEATH, how about you restart your tank so you don't murder any more fish?
 
If I had a tank where multiple fish had disease, the last thing I would do is add more fish.

 
I am not sure where you are seeing where the OP is putting in or adding fish to his tank?
i did not add any fish to the tank since the problem started. it was the addition of new rainbows to a healthy and thriving tank that started all this trouble. note - none of the corys have displayed ANY sign of illness yet; let alone stress; fin clamping etc. they are quite happy. the tetras are also all fine currently. the trouble seems temporarily confined to the rainbows and barbs.
Is this from a previous thread he has made?
no note of addition in previous thread but here are links to them. also i did post after the first death i had so havent exactly been sitting on this. really hate losing my beloved pets just want it to be over. have tried everything I can think of and that is within my power to save them. fish are not disposable to me. i love them all as pets I am responsible for so please dont assume I am not being proactive etc.
 
http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?/topic/441501-never-seen-this-before-please-help/
 
http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?/topic/441430-post-mortem-need-help-preventing-this-again/
 
kind reards,

 

[Shifty1303]

so just found my glowlight tetra now has evidence of fin rot too on all of her fins

 
please help me i cant take this any more
 
see pics

 

[SMITHKL]

based on the information you provided, i'm surprised you say that your tank is NOT overstocked.
 
clearly, your tank IS overstocked imo.
 
if we follow the basic recommendation of providing 1 gallon [3.785412L] per inch [25.4mm] of fish, based on the adult size of the fish you listed:
you would require a tank of at least, at a minimum, of 108.5 gallons [410.7172L] to accommodate the fish you listed.
 
so, minimally, you'd need a tank that holds 410L, but yours is 200L.
 
the tank is overstocked, 'upgrading' the filter isn't going to address that for the long term.
 
in my opinion, regardless of the root cause of the issue you're having now, you'll continue to have problems in one form or another with a tank that's really only half the size you need with your current fish listed.
 
 
additionally, i've been told by more than one freshwater fish expert, that it's generally a bad idea to keep multiple species, or even two species, of schooling fish together in the same tank unless it's very large.  i don't remember exactly why it's not good, i wish i could explain, but i think it's something you'll want to research.
 
i wish i could tell you what the problem is you're currently having, but i'm not a fish doctor.  either way, you're going to continue having problems with sick fish imo with current stock levels.
 
even if you upgrade the filter, the biological system is going to be overloaded and out of balance, getting a bigger filter won't resolve that; imo...
 
one great resource i use to get information about fish sickness, is this website:
 
http/animal-world.com/encyclo/fresh/information/Diseases.htm
 
based on the symptoms you're describing, to me it sounds like a bacteria infection.  but you're going to want to research the symptoms on your own and see what you come up with.
 
i wish you the best.

 

[cooledwhip]

Do you own a filter? Your water is so dirty, which may be contributing to the problem.

 

[Shifty1303]

i do yes. a fluval U4 which came with the tank. been planning to upgrade to a 306 too. these photos were taken just after i scraped the algae off the front glass too which contributed to the suspended dirt etc. havent cleaned tank in just over a week as trying to let myxazin do its work. the water chemistry itself is just fine - have been monitoring it with API test kit non-stop

 

[Shifty1303]

just removed another dead barb with the internal bleeding problem as described in OP

 

[cowgirluntamed]

Have you looked up hemorrhagic septicemia? This can kill fish fast. I had it once also due to new introduced fish without proper quarantining. This usually can appear with red stripes along the fins. At least that's what I noticed as well as other symptoms. I treated successfully with api triple sulfa. But you may want to look it up first to see if it coincides with what you are seeing.

As for your glowlight tetra, I also have these. They naturally have a tiny bit of white on the tips of all fins. So unless your seeing raggedy fins or the white seems to be spreading I wouldn't worry. But if you have septecimia then most definitely worry about that! Google it to see what you think first though!

 

[gmc1]

Glad you brought that up.I have just purchased a hospital tank for red streaking on my peppered corys and one of my gouramis.the last thing I added was a pair of angels around three months ago.it's the only thing I can think of.I am starting a dose of triple sulfa also.

 

[Shifty1303]

thanks for advice. I have been reading though and think these are infact case after case of dropsy I dont get how its still happening. I have medicated and am keeping water quality good (Am 0, Ni 0. Na<30ppm). I just want this to end. losing all my beloved fish is wearing me down to the point of not wanting to keep them anymore for fear of further loss

 

[cowgirluntamed]

From what I understood, dropsy is more of a symptom, not a disease itself. You still have to figure out the cause of it and treat accordingly. If it's a bacterial thing then you have to figure out if it's a gram negative kind or a gram positive kind. Certain antibiotics only go for one or the other sometimes so you have to look that up too. Sorry I can't be of any more help but you may look up a used of dropsy, not just dropsy itself. I'm not sure if the septicemia could be a cause or not but when you said internal bleeding, that's sort of what septecimia does.

Edit: found this article for you. Maybe it will help.

http/www.americanaquariumproducts.com/vibrio_aeromonas.html

 

[Shifty1303]

based on the information you provided, i'm surprised you say that your tank is NOT overstocked.
 
clearly, your tank IS overstocked imo.
 
if we follow the basic recommendation of providing 1 gallon [3.785412L] per inch [25.4mm] of fish, based on the adult size of the fish you listed:
you would require a tank of at least, at a minimum, of 108.5 gallons [410.7172L] to accommodate the fish you listed.
 
so, minimally, you'd need a tank that holds 410L, but yours is 200L.
 
the tank is overstocked, 'upgrading' the filter isn't going to address that for the long term.
 
in my opinion, regardless of the root cause of the issue you're having now, you'll continue to have problems in one form or another with a tank that's really only half the size you need with your current fish listed.
 
 
additionally, i've been told by more than one freshwater fish expert, that it's generally a bad idea to keep multiple species, or even two species, of schooling fish together in the same tank unless it's very large.  i don't remember exactly why it's not good, i wish i could explain, but i think it's something you'll want to research.
 
i wish i could tell you what the problem is you're currently having, but i'm not a fish doctor.  either way, you're going to continue having problems with sick fish imo with current stock levels.
 
even if you upgrade the filter, the biological system is going to be overloaded and out of balance, getting a bigger filter won't resolve that; imo...
 
one great resource i use to get information about fish sickness, is this website:
 
http/animal-world.com/encyclo/fresh/information/Diseases.htm
 
based on the symptoms you're describing, to me it sounds like a bacteria infection.  but you're going to want to research the symptoms on your own and see what you come up with.
 
i wish you the best.

 
what are peoples opinions on this?
 
i had received multiple posts from people saying this would not be overstocked??
 
13 panda cory
10-12 black ruby barb
10-12 lemon tetra
10-12 praecox rainbow.
 
did i infact overstock?