Nightlights + Uv Filters Advice And Opinions

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Hi All

Just after a little bit of advice / opinions on night lighting and UV filters.

Do you use them, do you consider them worthwhile?

I will soon be getting some digital timers which the main lights (T8's) on both my tanks will go on. I was thinking of getting a couple of cheap LED lights (either strips or spots) and rigging one up in each tank. I'm not sure if I should then just set it up so the LED's come on 30 mins or so before the T8's turn off then remain on for another 30 minutes. With a similar start up in the mornings. Thoughts if you would be so kind?

I also seem to be getting a bit of an algal growth on my live plants which is attracting (for use of a better word) crud, any ideas anyone?

Cheers
Ben

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For most fw applications a UV unit is not really usefull. While folks talk about it killing algae, it only kills the free floating spores. This can help to reduce a problem but it will do nothing to remove algae from surfaces. UV is most effective against green water. At higher dosages and longer exposure times UV will kill most bacteria and some viruses as well.

The most common use for UV in fw if when people are dealing with fish from extremely low pH water. Bacteria does not do well the lower the pH gets, so in the very acid tannin stained blackwater habitats the fish have underdeveloped immune systems relative to bacterial diseases. When these fish are brought into tanks, the use of a UV will greatly help in reducing the threatening bacteria normally in our tanks. Quite often the UV is used in concert with RO/DI water.

As for night lights, that is really a choice by the fishkeeper. These are usually moonlights or red lights ehich fish supposedly cant see. I have never chosen to use them, but plenty of folks do. I don't understand what you are trying to accomplish with the added lights as you described.
 
Hi thanks for replying.

What I would be trying to accomplish is to reduce the stress caused when the lights are turned off by the timer. Hence having the cross over period on the LED's before darkness.

I do understand the theory and reasons for UV but thanks anyway, I more want to hear peoples experiences with them.

Cheers
Ben
 
I used mine as described above for receiving wild Altum angels. It seemed to work as intended. Despite this I lost the fish, The unit now resides on a shelf. I might be inclined to use it on a Q tank or an H Tank in the future but I have no need to use it for algae.
 
Hi thanks for replying.

What I would be trying to accomplish is to reduce the stress caused when the lights are turned off by the timer. Hence having the cross over period on the LED's before darkness.

I do understand the theory and reasons for UV but thanks anyway, I more want to hear peoples experiences with them.

Cheers
Ben

UV's are a nice toy. but little more. though they do help, as stated, if your tank gets uncontrolled light. by controlling algae.

point is, if you understood the theory. you would realise they cant do want the makers claim.

all Uv's do is burn electric and bulbs. though its, probably, true they cause no harm. they have no benefit either, as an "away on" additio0n to your tank.

as for night lights. they are for you only. having them is an aesthetic choice.
 
point is, if you understood the theory. you would realise they cant do want the makers claim.

Not exactly sure what you mean by this and what your point is? I've worked in enough places to know that UV can and does work as a means of sterilisation (microbiological lab and I've seen it used on food packaging lines which run at very high speed).

Not looking for haters.

Ben
 
UV is pointless on a tropical tank.

Unless you can dim a lighting system, there aint much point in mixing lights to reduce stress, the sudden change in lighting will be just as shocking as complete lights off imo!
 
UV is pointless on a tropical tank.

From Mycobacteriosis− the Stealth Disease
by Diana Walstad (January 2009)
Author of Ecology of the Planted Aquarium

The recommended course was to tear down the tanks, disinfect everything, and start over. However, my three established tanks contained fish and plants that I had had for many years. Unsure of what to do next, I decided to add a UV sterilizing filter to each of the three tanks (45, 50, and 55 gal). My reasoning was that even if I could not save the fish, I could protect myself from infection.

I set up the UV filters so that water from the biofilter flowed through the UV filter around the internal 8-watt UV lamp before returning to the tank. I kept the UV sterilizers on 24 hr a day with a gentle flow rate, thereby maximizing the water's exposure to the sterilizing UV light. Results from the UV sterilizers were unexpected and amazing. Fish deaths stopped. A couple fish with symptoms actually recovered. Whether the UV sterilizers were killing the bacteria responsible for MB or were killing pathogens causing secondary infections was irrelevant to me. My fish were getting better!
From http://www.bookmaster.com/marktplc/00388mycoarticle.pdf

The article is quite long and goes into a lot of detail on the disease and how UV helped. There is wuite a long reference list at the end of the paper as well. It points who studies involving fw and UV uses.
 
hi Samuran

i have some leds in the tank mine can be dimmed up and down as well, the nocturnal fish seem to ignore it and you get the bonus of seeing them go about there buisness, not in a brightly lit tank of course but its very cool.

quite a few people are anti leds but i`m pretty sure they dont harm or annoy the fish so its all a matter of personal choice, have a look at a few tanks set up with them and decide if its for you

cheers
riffraff
 
The article is quite long and goes into a lot of detail on the disease and how UV helped. There is wuite a long reference list at the end of the paper as well. It points who studies involving fw and UV uses.

Cheers TwoTank, when / if I get a new external filter I think I'll get one just as another preventative measure... :)

riffraff - which LED's have you got??

Ben
 
UV is pointless on a tropical tank.

From Mycobacteriosis− the Stealth Disease
by Diana Walstad (January 2009)
Author of Ecology of the Planted Aquarium

The recommended course was to tear down the tanks, disinfect everything, and start over. However, my three established tanks contained fish and plants that I had had for many years. Unsure of what to do next, I decided to add a UV sterilizing filter to each of the three tanks (45, 50, and 55 gal). My reasoning was that even if I could not save the fish, I could protect myself from infection.

I set up the UV filters so that water from the biofilter flowed through the UV filter around the internal 8-watt UV lamp before returning to the tank. I kept the UV sterilizers on 24 hr a day with a gentle flow rate, thereby maximizing the water's exposure to the sterilizing UV light. Results from the UV sterilizers were unexpected and amazing. Fish deaths stopped. A couple fish with symptoms actually recovered. Whether the UV sterilizers were killing the bacteria responsible for MB or were killing pathogens causing secondary infections was irrelevant to me. My fish were getting better!
From http://www.bookmaster.com/marktplc/00388mycoarticle.pdf

The article is quite long and goes into a lot of detail on the disease and how UV helped. There is wuite a long reference list at the end of the paper as well. It points who studies involving fw and UV uses.

OK i'll rephrase it, UV is pointless in a tropical tank for the vast majority of hobbyists :)
 
UV is pointless on a tropical tank.

From Mycobacteriosis− the Stealth Disease
by Diana Walstad (January 2009)
Author of Ecology of the Planted Aquarium

The recommended course was to tear down the tanks, disinfect everything, and start over. However, my three established tanks contained fish and plants that I had had for many years. Unsure of what to do next, I decided to add a UV sterilizing filter to each of the three tanks (45, 50, and 55 gal). My reasoning was that even if I could not save the fish, I could protect myself from infection.

I set up the UV filters so that water from the biofilter flowed through the UV filter around the internal 8-watt UV lamp before returning to the tank. I kept the UV sterilizers on 24 hr a day with a gentle flow rate, thereby maximizing the water's exposure to the sterilizing UV light. Results from the UV sterilizers were unexpected and amazing. Fish deaths stopped. A couple fish with symptoms actually recovered. Whether the UV sterilizers were killing the bacteria responsible for MB or were killing pathogens causing secondary infections was irrelevant to me. My fish were getting better!
From http://www.bookmaste...mycoarticle.pdf

The article is quite long and goes into a lot of detail on the disease and how UV helped. There is wuite a long reference list at the end of the paper as well. It points who studies involving fw and UV uses.

OK i'll rephrase it, UV is pointless in a tropical tank for the vast majority of hobbyists :)

you were right first time, Tizer. they are pointless in any tropical tank.
lol, this is empiric evidence that UV can do things it cant. the best the above has done, is mask the problem.
@Samuran. UV cant fix bacterial problems, only reduce them. only a Whole tank at once treatment can do that. whatever UV sales blurb says.
this means meds, not UV.
as i said,over estimating (believing the sales talk) the power of UV is common.
in a tank with uncontrolled light, they can be a boon. and they can be used to reduce the bacterial load, prior to using a treatment. but that's about the limit of their usefulness.

this is another subject that's been covered here, many times. yet not one shred of, real evidence is ever offered. sure we get "but I've seen how much better my tank is with one". followed by, "you just wont understand till you get one". like somehow they have found something nobody else has noticed. oh yeah, and all that sales talked, dressed with nice graphs and charts. often refered to as PROOF UV works.

believable me. If UV were a must for a tropical tank, we would all HAVE to use them.
but we dont, and wont. as UV simply cant do what, most, claim it can.

misunderstanding how a UV works in a tank, is the basis of this Fishkeeping wife's tale.

and thats ignoring the fact that, Sterilising a tank totally, is the last think we want to do. after all, the Bio film (covers all surfaces in a mature tank) is built from different bacteria and living organisms.
yet even UV protected (lol) tanks develop a bio film. proof, if it were needed, that UV simply doese not do what it says on the box.

nice toy, with some uses. but needs kept in the draw, until needed.
not sure what you mean "no haters". but I'll post as i wish. deal with it!
 

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