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sam&sirus

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Hello. I bought my 1st tank last week. i haven't added fish yet. The shop said to leave it running for 2 weeks, and to add a bit of food every other day. I tested the water this morning. Ammonia 0 Nitrite 0.25 Nitrate 10.
I know I can't add fish yet, but was wondering if it sounds like things are going right so far?
 
Hi sam&sirus, welcome to the forum!

When you first set up a tank you need to 'cycle' it, which means establishing beneficial bacteria in the filter media (and gravel, etc too).

There are some pinned topics on cycling in the beginners FAQ section. Have a read of them.

The fish store has basically told you to cycle the tank using decaying fish food. It's good to see they have told you to do it, because a lot of places don't. Also good to see that you have test kits and are measuring the water.

You could continue doing what you are doing, but I suspect it may take quite a while (how big is your tank?) Have a read of those FAQ and see if you prefer any of the other methods mentioned. Most people do a fishless cycle by adding pure ammonia. The decaying fish food you are using also produces ammonia and others have used that method successfully, so they might be able to help more.
 
Hi daza. Thanks for your reply. First posts are scary!
I read the cycle pages. When i started adding the food, the ammonia shot up, and eventually came down to zero. The nitrite shot up and is slowly coming back down. I have been doing water changes, (shop told me too).
Does this mean that i have destroyed the good bacteria, or do you think it's just the cycle? I am wondering if I should start the cycle again?
The tank is 40 gallons, and just has some bogwood and artificial plants.
Thanks. :)
 
I wouldn't start again. I wouldn't perform any water changes either, not until the cycle has finished.

You should see ammonia rise, then nitrite rise, then nitrate rise over time.

Bacteria will grow and consume the ammonia, producing nitrite, other bacteria will consume the nitrite, producing nitrate.

Nitrate must be removed by water changes, but that is only important just before adding fish (and then as part of regular maintenance, e.g. weekly).

I have never used fish food (to cycle), but it does work, the only question is how much ammonia (and therefore how much bacteria) it will produce. I would have thought not a lot. I would also have thought that you should add the food every day, rather than every-other.

How much did the ammonia shoot up to before falling to zero?

This method might produce enough bacteria to handle a small load of fish to start with, after the ammonia and nitrite are at zero, and following a large water change (approx 50%) to bring nitrates down to about 20 or less.

I just had a quick search and couldn't find any posts about cycling with food, but there are some around. Hopefully someone can give a better idea of how long it will take and how effective it will be.

The main thing with cycling is to be patient, as it can take a few weeks of looking at an empty tank unfortunately.

Another thing you could do is get some filter media or gravel from an existing tank. Your LFS sound okay, maybe they would give you some? You can add some mature gravel in a stocking if you want to be able to remove it afterwards. If you can get a fair ammount of mature filter media and put it into your filter then the tank will be immediately seeded with bacteria and you could (in fact should to avoid bacteria dying) add some fish right away if the water tests okay.
 
Hi ya. My ammonia went up to somewhere in between 2 and 4. (my results chart doesn't have a colour for 3!)
I'm using a test kit by Aquarium Pharmaceuticals Inc called Freshwater Master Test Kit. Hope it's a reliable one.
My nitrites went to 2 as well, which was really scary as it was a ghastly shade of pink!
I will take your advice and not start again, and back off with the water changes. I'll also feed the tank daily, and grovel for some gravel at the shop.
Thanks so much. It's nice not to know I'm alone. :)
 
if that was 2-4 mg/l (same as ppm) then that sounds okay. That is what you would aim for if you were using pure ammonia.

You certainly aren't alone. This forum is where I first learned all this stuff. Lots of knowledgeable people on here (more than me!)
 

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