Newbie Assumptions

it must be so annoying providing advice that people don't take any notice of! i think that people are sometimes sceptical about the fact that the shop assistants are there to sell products, and possibly people don't understand the importance of certain things such as filters, and that sort of stuff!

but i have to disagree with you on the colour issue! i like to have colourful fish (most of ours a silver or a slight variation of.. silver dollars, bala sharks etc) so sometimes i say that i fancy something with a little more colour.. hence we got our torpedo barbs (and we researched the fish extensively, on here, google and talking to lfs who stock the fish, checking compatability, and care). just because people want a little more colour in their aquarium does not mean that they want painted catfish and things like that.. it just means they want something a little different to waht they already have!! its very narrow minded to assume that all customers do not care about thier fish when they say they are looking for a little more colour or something a little different!

kat :)


You generally get a feeling for good and bad customers in whatever job you are working, especially in a pet store. When someone starts complaining that they want more color generally they just want a colorful fish and don't care what it is. There are some exceptions but those exceptions usually ask for specific species, like "Do you have dwarf gouramis?" or "I am looking for some Apistogrammas to add some color". Those are definately different then the people who point out the african cichlids cuz they are "pretty" and then get offended when I ask what size tank they have and tell them they can't add africans to a ten gallon community tank with guppies and tetras.

I had a woman in my store yesterday that had a ten gallon tank with two mollies in it. She wanted "some color" and immediately went to the fish that grow too large for her tank. She pointed at some silver dollars and said "Give me those things" (not even bothering to remember the common name let alone asking anything about the species). When I told her that it got way too big for her tank she proceeded to tell me "Its my tank and I will do whatever I want with it. They will just die anyways". So I told her she could get them but if they died then she couldn't get replacement fish from us because I wouldn't guarantee them. After complaining about that she said that she also wanted an albino oscar because they were "cute". Then I just refused to sell her anything and she stomped out of the store after I explained that she needed a LOT bigger tank for these big fish.

These customers are very very very common. I would probably estimate that your uninformed customers outweigh the good ones by at least a scale of 1 to 10 if not more. Most people just want a tank full of "pretty fish" for their tank they got either for themselves or for their little children. They don't get a book to help them, they just set up a tank and expect the fish to take care of themselves except for feeding. And most of them don't want help, they have had tanks since they were children, or its so "easy" that they don't need help. The worst is that a LOT of pet stores give really bad information because they are lazy or uninformed and that makes it even worse.
 
I don't work in an LFS and never have, so I am more stating my shock than really disagreeing with you....
BUT, do you really beleive that the majority of fish keepers just stick a bunch of totally incompatible fish into a totally inappropraite tank time after time? Am shocked.
I guess that LFS do see more than their share of rubbish fish keepers simply becuase their fish die more quickly so are replaced more often. Also, the rubbish fish keepers probablly stick in your mind more.
That is my THEORY - as I said, I don't work at an LFS so pls disagree gently!
 
I don't work in an LFS and never have, so I am more stating my shock than really disagreeing with you....
BUT, do you really beleive that the majority of fish keepers just stick a bunch of totally incompatible fish into a totally inappropraite tank time after time? Am shocked.
I guess that LFS do see more than their share of rubbish fish keepers simply becuase their fish die more quickly so are replaced more often. Also, the rubbish fish keepers probablly stick in your mind more.
That is my THEORY - as I said, I don't work at an LFS so pls disagree gently!

look at a 10g, a 30g, and a 75g. (brand new)

10g - full setup - $ 50 or more - takes up 1.5"x1" of space
30g - full setup - $100 or more - takes up 3" x 1" of space
75g - full setup - $250 or more - takes up 4" x 1.5" of space

say you knew nothing about fish except that they only grow to the size of their tank. which do you pick? the huge expensive thing or the smaller cheaper thing? and since the fish won't outgrow their tank, you can still pick any fish that you like. fish are such nice, peaceful creatures... look how cute those oscars are! and only $3.99? i'll take three!

i guarantee that the vast majority of "people who own fish" don't qualify as fishkeepers.
 
After reading pica_nuttalli's last post, my first thought was that we might be lucky that there are so many ignorant people starting out in in the hobby. After all, they are the ones who give up easily and enable us to buy their almost new equipment for ridiculously low prices at their yard sales. :lol:

But seriously, working with the public is never easy. It's even harder in the retail stores. People think of even experienced sales people as being "just clerks," who are only there to serve them, and often don't care what you think of them. To illustrate this, I was in the supermarket check out line last Saturday and it was moving more slowly than usual. All of a sudden one of the customers flung a shopping basket clear over the cash registers and it ended up crashing into a display piled high with jars of gravy. It made a terrible mess, yet everyone went on like it was perfectly normal. I felt so bad for the nice young woman who was ringing his groceries up when he went off like that! :X

You can't expect yourself to be able to please everyone who walks into the store where you work. If you are able to teach even a small percentage of them the basics of keeping an aquarium, and start them on their way to years of pleasure, that is doing a lot. You can well be proud of yourself! :thumbs:
 
I would probably estimate that your uninformed customers outweigh the good ones by at least a scale of 1 to 10 if not more.
Wow tyou store sounds like it has some bad customers. Where I used to work I'd say there were many more good customers than ones that didn't know what they were doing. More like 7/10. Guess it depnds on your prices and products though... you sell bad products you'll get bad customers. Not saying your place does but generally thats the way it goes.
 
BUT, do you really beleive that the majority of fish keepers just stick a bunch of totally incompatible fish into a totally inappropraite tank time after time? Am shocked.

Wouldn't suprise me. Take a trip to your lfs- if you had no idea what the fish were or how big they got, what would you do? Most people are convinced 'fish grow to the size of the tank', fish are easy to look after and fish 'just die'. Your not looking to spend a lot of cash- you have other, better things to buy. Meanwhile some of the workers are encouraging you to buy fish... Obviously this is very hypothetical, but you catch my drift.
 

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