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[-germ-]

Sorry, agree with RDD to an extent, without knowing the ammonia content its hard to say, if it was me and the fish has been kept (wih its old owner as well) in mineral water then i'd certainly think performing a 50% water change comprising 25% mineral and 25% tap is good idea.
Edited to add-->Then repeat the same process in a few hours (i'd go for 3-4 but its just a guess)
I don't think the OP has dechlor though..... Although you may be able to help with the dechlorinating without dechlor RDD?
Just moving him into new water is too risky IMHO, may lead to stress and/or osmoregulatory issues...
Add gravel vac to your list rainbow if you don't already have one
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RDD you joining the Ninja squad as well?
Edited.... for reasons of my own

 

[alessasavoca]

if you stand water for 24 hours the chlorine will disperse, so that will do until the OP can get himself a good dechlor that removes other nasties in the water

Betta ninjas are go!

 

[-germ-]

Mucked up edit

 

[alessasavoca]

Alessasavoca
I'd certainly second that you'd be ideal with your whipping skills!
(google Kusari Gama)
I'd go for a Kubotan personally...
Anyhow;
Rainbow i'm a little lost in the thread (and over excited about all these potential Betta-ninjas) but if you are (as i think i noticed ) planning on switching from mineral water to tapwater do it slowly or you may overload his osmoregulatory function, same apllies for salt treatments, when fish are in a bad way due to multiple possible causes always be careful about changing the water conditions too rapidly.
Ps; whats a sicilian zio?

A sicilian is a person from sicily (mafia land- i am half sicilian) and Zio means uncle! I do have a long carting whip that i use when I have my horse on the long reins (btw i never actually whip him-its just there so he can see it and it helps him to know when to turn left/right, as i cant use my legs/posture to help when im on the ground walking behind him)

 

[-germ-]

Thanks

 

[rdd1952]

The bottled water definitely shouldn't have chlorine in it so in that respect it's good but as already mentioned, it may not contain the minerals needed either. Bottle water however isn't always as pure as we think it is (but that's another topic). I don't think using a dechlorinator will harm the fish. It's pretty much not harmful and I don't think it's possible to overdose.

I was afraid that a sudden move to fresh water could cause problems as the pH in the bowl could be significantly different from the tap but I would think that a few 50% changes over 2 or 3 days would help with the ammonia issue.

I think I'll leave the punishment to you guys. You seem to have it pretty much in hand. He's going to look worse than the fish when it's all over.

Edit: I missed the part about not having dechlor. Letting it stand will help disipate it. Adding aeration will also work if you have an air or water pump. I'm almost of the opinion that running water into a bucket from a faucet that is aerated (most faucets in the US are) will help remove a good bit of the chlorine.

 

[Lynda B]

yep, like I thought, the uncle gonna make the neighbor sleep with the fishies.... fit him with a nice pair of cement shoes.... after we inject him with poisonous toad slime, and work our betta ninja mojo.....

 

[alessasavoca]

my dad is just as bad they are like the two mafia brothers the way they behave we will move in on the nasty neighbours and also:

most bottled water does have chlorine in it- check the label of any one and i guarantee they will have put chlorine in it- sometimes its as bad as drinking swimming pool water!

 

[Lynda B]

Did you know that we shouldn't even put chlorine in our swimming pools? Little by little, it eats away at your skin. Ok, thread drift. We can't have that....

 

[alessasavoca]

B)-->QUOTE(Lynda B @ Jul 17 2007, 04:10 PM) [snapback]1694076[/snapback]
Did you know that we shouldn't even put chlorine in our swimming pools? Little by little, it eats away at your skin. Ok, thread drift. We can't have that.... [/quote]
tell me about it i have eczema and whenever i've been in a pool i come up in horrendous sores unless i have a shower with this stuff the doc have me. A lot of people think im lying when i say i have it as i rarely have bad skin but i just keep on top of it.

chlorine = nasty stuff

 

[rdd1952]

most bottled water does have chlorine in it- check the label of any one and i guarantee they will have put chlorine in it

I don't drink bottled water but did just look at a bottle that our office has for clients who are waiting. It doesn't list chlorine but says it is 100% pure spring water. I would assume in that case that it probably has some needed minerals in it too as anything that comes from the ground will most likely not be devoid of everything..

 

[-germ-]

Must be careful with anabantoids (as far as i know) at least those from relatively still water. The water they would encounter in nature is considered nutrient poor. Though most betta splendens (in fact most tank bred anabantoids) have come so far from their natural cousins that i'm not sure if this still applies.
Back in the dark days of fish-keeping some anabantoid keepers viewed poor water quality (especially as concerns organic pollution) as a suitable way to encourage breeding....

 

[alessasavoca]

you'd be suprised, even spring water (as it has to meet certain standards set by the government) can be treated to 'clean' it, even though it's bottled at source. you can never be safe

 

[rainbowpuddle]

Right

I need to buy
specifc food
decolorinating stuff
vacume

Feed regularly
Remove water every day and put clean in, fish out bits
see if he feels better

then take more pics of lump
a freind said to put almond leaf in cus she thought the lump was a parasite
Do I take him to the vet? I need to take the lumpy rat anyway this week

AND
is there a gadget I can get that will clean up, appart from a snail?

 

[-germ-]

What size was the tank again? Either way the best cleaning gadget is yourself, get an algae brush (whatever its called) and use this with a little elbow grease...
I wouldn't addanything to the tank until you have a decent diagnosis and/or the fish is back to good health.
Not sure if its parasitic, if your friend knows her fish then maybe, i'd get some better pics on here and see what opinions are floating about before treating for anything specific.
Also you must get the tank conditions sorted before adding any treatments IMHO.

How are you going to go about adjusting the fish to the tap water?