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hello, my fish had white spots 2 days ago and i got some malkon from lagan pharmaceuticals for it, it says on the bottle that add 1drop per gallon each day until four days after all signs of infection have disappeared. but its been 2 days and i dont see anymore white spots on my fish should i keep puting that stuff in?

thanks for any replies
 
Yes, its always best to just keep adding it for another day or so, just to make sure it doesnt pop up again as it often can.
 
this may sound like a dumb question, but have the original white spots disappeared? i would add the meds atleast for four more days like the bottle says if not a week. like danny has stated, ich or white spot can go dormant. it will still be present without the fish showing signs of it. you will want to continue dosing the tank to ensure that you have gotten rid of all the parasites. the parasites can be alive and without a host. when they do attach to the host that is when the fish show signs of them.

what temp is your tank at?

hth

maggie
 
my tank temp is between 25-26c, i cant see anymore white spots on my fish but i just added some in just incase they are dormant like u said, should i add another dose tomrw?
 
i would keep up the dosing of the tank for atleast four more days like the bottle says. read some of the posts about ich. danny wrote a very indepth post on the subject. ich cannot survive in the warmer temps. not sure about the conversion from celsius to farenheits.

maggie
 
hellstorm,
If I am correct you posted a question in regards to the same thing on another thread. I responded with a lenghthy reply. Did you ever read that reply ? I tried to break it all down in that thread for you. Just incase you overlooked it here it is again.
I will cut and paste it here for you incase you didn't see it before.



I use Maracide by Mardel Labs. I have used it for years and ALWAYS
get rid of the ich within the treatment time.Most times before treatment is scheduled to end.
This Medication will tinge the tank a slight greenish color but is removed once treatment is over with some freash carbon and a water change.
This meds cures a wide variety of external parasites and I highly
reccomend it. I have used and still got several other brands / kinds of ich meds that I personaly didn't find as affective.

I have used and some times use Quick Cure but again it's NOT as
affective with the ich.

Now you know ich can and will rermain dormant even if there
are no sighs of infections. If you are medicating the tank and stop
or meds were not powerfull enough it MAY appear the ich is gone but it can
be dormant and return normally is higher numbers and a worse out
break.

Me, all I do is treat as needed: 1 drop per gallon every 24 hrs for
5 days. And normally within 3-4 it's done and gone. I do a good
30-40 % water change, add freash carbon and within hours walla. Good
as new.
I use salt during water changes so I never really add some more nor
do I even add when treating for ich. In the cooloer months I will
run the heaters to assure the temp does NOT drop to fast nor get too
cold. This is most times the main cause for an ich outbreak.

I personally have problemns if any during the winter months. Cold
water fish are affected or stand a better chance of getting ich when
temps get warm. And vise a versa for warm water fish ( most cichlids )
are affected when temps get to cold. Secondary inffections, bad
tank maint., and stress can also and will make the odds of ich higher.

What is ich ? Ready ? hehehehehe

Ichthyophthirius multifiliis
Means " fish louse with many children" It was named as so because
one parasite can produce as many as 600 - 1,200 youngsters.
The parasite penetrates the mucous coat here the growth process
begins. The parasite feeds on red blood corpuscles and degenerated
epithelial cells.
When after some days in the fishs skin the parasite matures. Now
it's time to leave the host (fish) for reproduction.
The mature parasites having left the host, sinks to the bottom and starts to go
through even more changes, here it secretes a soft, jelly like cyst.

Here is where the water temp makes a diff on the time it takes to
develope and time / extent of infection accours.
The speed of this process depends on the temperature of the water:
normaly about 12 - 18 hours. Approx. 36 hours after the mature
parasite has left the host, the youngsters will be swimming in a
lively manner in search of a host.

Now the parasite has already entered the fish, ate, left to
reproduce and the young are now in search of food a host
( your fish )
Thus, in the aquarium the parasite leaves the fish (s) periodiclly,
but the fishes are infected again and again and everytime evn worse.

Developement of ich in the aquarium takes diff times, depending
again on the temp of the water.

From 78-80 *F the parasite will leave the fish 3-4 days AFTER the
spots were viss. to to naked eye. At temps lower than 70* this
period can take up to 4 WEEKS or more. Thus, increasing the temp
will decrease the time that the parasite remains in / on the fish.
But, it ALSO shortens the time before reinfection occurs.

Raising the temp should ALWAYS be combined with some form of
medication ( Maracide IMO ) HEAT ALONE WILL NOT KILL THEm. oops
sorry cap lock.
The young parasite can not life long without a host and die within a few days if non is present.
At longest a free swimming parasite can / or will not survive longer than 55 hours without a host. YOUNG
parasite that is, still got the mature ones to tend to . Meds and
raising the temp.

As I mentioned prior, most cases of ich occur in autum and winter,
If a completely healthy fish is infected by one or two parasites it
will not suffer muchy, and if the tank is NOT crowded the chances of
reinfection are NOT to great.
In such cases, infection may remain in a latent stage for a long
period,since the parasites in the skin of the fish it will grow very
slowly and consequently no symptoms of ich will appear.
However, if the resistance of the fish is weakend by unsuitable
conditions the parasite will have a better chance and THEN the
epidemic may accur.
This explains why epidemics often appear when tropicals are kept at
too low temps., while on the contrary, in cold water fish epidemics
may accur at too high temps.

Now here is the kicker,
Cysts of ich can often be found on water plants, which explains and
is how most time these parasites are smuggled from tank to tank.
Ever bought a fish that appeared healthy and when you get it home
and put it in your tank walla. ICH. As I mentioned above there are a
few factors that can and will contribute to ich and also how long in
lingers around.

There, Hope this helps and Hope you enjoy my Mini Book. LOLOLOL
You Guys were warned....

Increase aireation, Do a partial water change to eliminate
previously used meds, get some GOOD affective Meds ( Maracide), cut
back on feedings till problem is under control.


Danny
 
i did read that big reply u sent but the medicine i got didnt say to rise temp or anythin
 
that is why it is good to get advice from some of the more experienced fishkeepers. more than likely they have read up on problems finding out all of the information that they can. danny has contributed alot of time and effort to research. probably why his posts are so long, thinks he is writing a research paper for one of his universities! :rolleyes: parasites thrive in the cooler temps. the bottle probably did not say anything about raising the temp cause the meds will work at lower temps just take longer. you said it did say to continue meds for four days after the signs have disappeared. still will be effective just longer period of time to medicate, more meds needed, more meds sold. not trying to razz on these companies they are just trying to make a buck also.

also, don't know if you said it or not, but salt is good to add to your tank while medicating. helps the fish to breathe. you want to ensure that their breating is fine since that is how they dispel illnesses and harmful toxins out of their bodies. when a fish is ill or diseased the gill function is the first function to become impaired. many times they do not die from the disease itself, but from complications of the disease. when gill function is impaired they can go into osmotic shock which will lead to death. salt helps to ensure the proper function of the gills. the dosage is about one heaping tablespoon for every five gallons of water. salt can also be used with scaled freshwater fish on a daily basis. some aquarists will use salt with their fish. if you do use salt and sell off or give away some of your fish or fry and they have gotten used to the salt, you need to inform that person. the scaleless fish can be bruned by the adding of salt to the aquarium.

hth

maggie
 
shhhhhhhhhhh cause I cut and pasted from a previous reply to ich wont leave pleco. And it talked about plecos towards the end. Didn't need to confuse anyone any worse than I already do.
And YES ! I corrected some typos which you knwo typos are my trademark. LOLOLOLOL

Danny
 

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