Need Advice On My New 55Gallon Setup

hillmar77

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Hey y'all,

I finally at the stage of adding water to my 55gallon setup. Today I bought aragonite sand from a friend because he was selling his tank and getting rid of everything. The sand is from a established cichlids tank. We loaded it up in a bucket and I put the sand in my new 55 gallon tank. Then I added water.... and boom, The tank is super cloudy. I started up my penguin 350D HOB to see if it would help clear it up...its been 4 hours now and its still cloudy! I have 2 questions atm, Is it supposed to be cloudy like this? and any info on aragonite sand? Is aragonite sand safe for bottom dwellers like cory's? Thanks for all the help!
Here is some pics of the sand and the cloudiness!
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Another reason why I chose aragonite is for its buffering because of this...... had a long talk with my LFS about this last week!
It seemed odd to me that a great city like Vancouver that was so modern and stunning would have an aquarium hobby that was so behind. Things have come a long way here since then but still nothing like I expected, and there were many hobbyists repeatedly getting out of this great hobby.
It remained a mystery until last year when we discovered the relationship between our super soft water and it's negative effects on freshwater fish here. It hit me like a ton of bricks to be honest. It explained so many issues that had haunted me for years, unexplained deaths, cloudy water, poor recovery from meds, and others.
We took a huge step in trying to get this message across to our clients but also on this forum. We openly admitted that this issue had affected us negatively over the years and we were proud to be able to remedy it not only for us but our clients.
We were always aware that the pH was unstable and that the hardness was 0 yet because this is such a unique set of circumstances in BC water supply, we simply corrected the pH with coral, dolomite etc and continued on. I can remember when we used to sell 1 lb bags of dolomite to correct this problem. Of course, this did nothing for hardness but improved the problem of the pH crashing to 5.
It took us nearly 15 years to learn the negative impact the low hardness had on our fish and on our client's fish. When we told hobbyists with more experience then myself they were also shocked and noticed immediate improvement in their fish.
This forum is a great additional way to get the message out but like a new hobbyist who fails, they are more likely to toss the aquarium then to continue killing fish and wasting money of course. They end up feeling this hobby is simply too difficult for them, or fish keeping is just not for them, they then tell their friends the same and so on.
Once again there has been a thread on this issue started from a hobbyist that is confused about it and every reply stated buffers are unnecessary. I beg to differ. If this problem is not properly addressed, this hobby will continue to be stagnant in this province. There needs to be more consistent advice dealing with this issue and it needs to come from those who already agree with this. It is unfortunately not as affective coming from me as a few have commented in the past that I am just trying to peddle unnecessary product.
Of course if you take a poll on MFK which was mentioner earlier or other forums that have members that are not in BC, they will likely say it is unnecessary because they too have never had to deal with water parameters like ours. If it took me 15 years I can see how they would not find it very important. Even a Seachem representative was surprised to hear of our water parameters here. Buffers were generally created for hobbyists who wanted to match their parameters to specific levels, not to keep their fish alive.
The thread in question started recently was from a hobbyist with both a guppy aquarium and a goldfish aquarium, two examples of some of the hardest water fish in our hobby. In the wild no, but we are not dealing with wild, we are dealing with pond raised fish with extremely hard water that have been so going back many many years.
Osmoregulation is key to a fish's survival, without the proper minerals in our water this cannot be attained in the majority of fish we import. Some say they adjust their water by the actions of their fish. This forum deals with hobbyists of all different levels, many are beginners and many are more experienced but so was I. Please keep in mind that your comments are being read here by many other hobbyists and if you are truly an avid hobbyist, you should be keen on helping others to advance as well and allow this hobby to flourish as it should in this great province. I ask those who have had positive experiences with raising their hardness to comment to help others in making their aquarium keeping easier and long lived.
Thank you.
 
Hi Luke, I'm confused. Was this your LFS owner writing that long post? WD
Hey WD,
Yeah, it's from my lfs owner. He is trying to unite most of our local lfs to tell customers about the issue! I'm new to this hobby so he spent alot of time with me earlier explaining the problems I might face with this hobby in our city! It apparently is a huge issue and the main cause of alot of people leaving the hobby around here! Kinda got me worried too!
Btw it's Eric :). But you can call me Luke if you want! :p
 
Many apologies Eric, for some reason I was confusing your id with Luke's, which is dissimulo or something like that, no idea why I switched them, lol.

The factor of mineral content weaves its way through both fishkeeping and plant keeping. On the fishkeeping side of it I've had interesting conversations and speculations with OM47, drobbyb and neale monks. On the plant keeping side I've had interesting discussions with Dave Spencer and some of the other planted tank members.

I too have very soft water and have had various speculations about it. My short take for you though is that I wouldn't get too carried away about it. Its a thing that some can get overly worried about I think. It is definately something to keep learning about.

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Thanks again WD for the great advice.....
The question I have in my mind atm is, Am I going to need the buffering??!! What really worries me atm is with high ammonia, nitrite or even nitrate... A huge water change will correct the problem and the fish's will be protected from harm.(Learned that from you guys) but Hardness and PH is a whole new skill level to master. The last thing I'm scared of is to come home one day and see one of my fishes floating and even with perfect ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate levels! and wandering if he could have been saved if I buffered the hardness and PH levels too?!
 
OK, lets get back to discussing the topic! I'm certainly not an expert at this topic so we'll hope for OM47 or Neale Monks (or Robby of course) if we're lucky or some of the others who have hands-on experience with the trials and tribulations of altering your pH and mineral content!

As I said, I'm not experienced with Aragonite but it doesn't take much research to learn that this mineral is one of the typical substances, like crushed coral for instance, that is a tool to raise hardness and pH. In fact, if you search the word on TFF but avoid the results that are in the marine sections (the main use of aragonite is in marine keeping) you quickly find some confirmation of the dramatic abilities of aragonite. Apparently, it raises pH higher than crushed coral (all the way up to 8.2, whereas CC would stop sooner than that I believe. Since it is basically Calcium Carbonate (CaCO3) we suspect right away that it will raise the KH (which is a measure of carbonate hardness!) So Aragonite is providing both Calcium (the number one mineral measured in GH, general hardness) and Carbonate (the main, perhaps sole, factor in carbonate hardness, KH.) I believe Aragonite is also sometimes called "Cichlid sand" because of being used by those enthusiasts who like to keep the high-mineral cichlids, such as those originating from lake Malawi and others.

Deciding to alter your water, in the sense of moving whole degrees away from whatever your tap water is... is a big deal! Your given tap water is the baseline, the thing always available in emergencies when a water change may be needed to save fish. Altering your tank water away from this leaves you unable to immediately turn to your tap water as a lifeline, without doctoring it to match your tank water. Why does it matter? Remember those classes on Osmosis in school? The cells of given tissues in a given species of animal can only handle a limited range of adjustment across the cell wall of differing levels of dissolved minerals.

Let me give you some more reading (for now:)


Robby article


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Thanks for the good read WD and the great advice as usual! I've researched a little bit more and decided I'm going to try to go through the trouble of buffering the PH and hardness of the water for the protection of the fishes I'm going to keep. So I'll stick to aragonite as my substance and I'll try to take this one step at a time. I also bought a small bag of aragonite to sit in my 5Gallon bucket with water to be available when I need it.
 
I guess the tools that people use would be liquid GH/KH kits and electronic TDS(?) devices. I think there are inexpensive little Total Dissolved Solids detectors with a sensor out on the tip.

I have been in discussions about this sort of water doctoring in two other circumstances but neither involved the same goal as yours exactly. Often the discussion comes about because of people who want to -lower- their mineral content, so they use an RO (Reverse Osmosis) device to remove virtually all the DS and then they are in a discussion of exactly which minerals to put back in and by what method. I belive OM47 and I got in an interesting discussion with Neale about that, something about using a particular mix of solids to dissolve in the buckets of return water on water changes.

The other goal area where I've had the discussion was with planted folks wanting to do the same thing, add back certain minerals but in a way hopefully calculated to complement the desired nutrient mix for certain plants. I believe Tom Barr had a particular mix and I was quite interested in finding out about it but I've lost that thread of info. I believe there is some significant amount of this done in the planted world. There was a recent article in one of the aquatic gardener journals where the guys who were the subject of the article were doing it for their water (lots of really nice planted tanks in their basement in the pics of that article, don't know if anyone else here remembers it.)

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I'm starting to get paranoid.....today when I woke up I had a Cory emergency. And somehow, somebody mentioned GH as a probable cause!! :huh:
I'm going to pick up a GH booster tomorrow and I'm going to tackle this thing head on! Don't really have a choice anymore!
http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?/topic/341948-help-cory-dont-look-good/page__gopid__2842643&#entry2842643
 

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