i personally wouldn't get 'hyped' up about about any N/A bacs in a bottle. You'll struggle to find a independent study into these products, you only find research done by the company/Dr who makes the product and a handful of people on the interweb, that it worked for. To me this makes a product questionable before it even reaches the shelves. There is yet to be concrete evidence to prove these products work. If the Dr Tim methods worked, wouldn't we be seeing more people hitting the forums, raving about the products? This is all my opinion, but all i think we are seeing is a decent fish in cycle when we see good results.