My Milky White Cloudy Tank

Ravekiss I think you may have too many fish in your tank. I would set up a another tank to take some of the pressure off this one. I'm all for live plants. It sounds like your are filtering the water well, so I'm going to guess the problem is somewhere in the gravell. I would guess that somewhere in the past you overfed and theres food , or something bad in the gravell ( we've all done it ) . with a big enough tank or few fish the tank can handle it . You said this has been going on for months,so I would take the gravell out and clean it or repalce it and start out again with fewer fish. Please don't take this as a slam on your fishkeeping skills. I'm just telling you what I would do. KF
 
I appreciate your advice..and every one else's. I have a lot to learn about fish keeping and I think this is one of the best places to do that! I've tried removing all the plants and ornaments and using my hand, stir up the gravel as much as possible, letting all the trapped stuff out, then do a major water change. The tank is clear after that but withing 2 days...cloudy again and getting worse. This happened when I only had about 9 fish in there, so even though I know I am overcrowded...there seems to be another problem.
 
Hi ravekiss, im having the same problems as you with the cloudy water.my tank has cycled and been up and running for 3 months. Its anonnying.i have just added an external filter but that hasnt as yet helped.
i know i have a well stocked tank,but others have well stocked tanks and dont suffer murky water. would more filtration solve this problem if overcrowding is the issue?
 
I'm running 2 filters that are capable of filtering up 70g, in my 20g tank....they're not helping the situation.
 
Ravekiss, don't get down hearted. I got my first tank at Christmas and I have learned a lot from this and another forum I visit alot. I didn't have a clue that fish keeping was so complicated. I had just seen our sons tanks when visiting him and really liked them so I decided to give it a try. I had the same problems you have and it is because you are cycling with fish just as I did. Just check your water parameters every day to make sure you don't have any spikes and do frequent water changes. I was changing 5 gallon twice a week and 10 gallon once a week so I was almost completely turning the water every week. Mine has cleared now and is crystal clear (other than a light film on top and I have finally figured out what that was). It would definitely help though if you could take 4 to 6 fish out & put them in another tank or return them to the LFS.
 
Its got to be the substrate.

Did you buy the tank used? Did you clean it out completely.

I still say it has to be the substrate.

EDIT: I doubt its the overcrowding that is making it cloudy. Those are all little fish, and even all of them couldnt cause this type of tank symptom. If you have an Oscar in there, it'd be a different story, but with that filter, I think you have quite adequete filtration.

DB :fish:
 
I dunno dude but you have 49 fish in that 45 gallon tank!!!!! No matter how small the fish are that sounds like extreme overcrowding to me. I dunno thats just my opinion i would think about getting a bigger tank or another to divide em up.
 
Dannyboy makes a good point that I hadn't thought about before. With the filter you have and a sand substrate, the waterflow could be keeping your sand stirred up. I set my waterlevel a little too low on my 2.5 gallon once to try to get a little aeration at the surface. In 10 minutes, my water was terribly cloudy where the water from the filter was disturbing the sand. Maybe you would be better with only 1 filter and not so much water movement.
 
I dont have sand I have gravel. Should I tear apart the tank and remove the gravel and wash out. Its a new tank. I did clean it well.
 
Well...its a big step so I want to make sure....should i leave it alone, add phos-x, or remove all gravel and clean and put back?
 
i'd say foloow the wolf's instructions and get your phosphate checked

what do you feed your fish?
I'm asking because live and frozen foods tend to have the fish produce more waste then flake foods.

Try feeding less. fish can handle low feeding levels, they will just grow slowly.

other than that, i doubt dirty grvael would cause cloudy water, unless lots food is rotting in there. Dirt would have settle to the bottom of the tank.
 
i'd suggest you test for phosphates now

bring in a smaple of tank water, and tap water. That way you'll know where the problem comes from!
 
Hi Ravekiss. Sorry to hear about all your trouble with the tank. While I'd definitely go and get the phosphates checked (can't hurt), before you go through the monumental task of removing all your gravel, try this.

I had about the same problem as you -- good filtration, no nitrites, low nitrates, etc. -- and I had cloudy water for almost three months. I just "fixed it" about a month ago, and now the tank is quite clear again. My problem started when I added more light so that I could put in plants that required brighter lighting. I got a serious algae bloom, got a Siamese Algae Eater and adjusted the lighting, and got rid of the algae -- but that stupid whitish haze never went away.

Anyhow, one weekend I made a series of changes in the tank -- I added a substrate feeder, which will push around in the gravel in search of food. I also added an army of ghost shrimp, again to nibble away at any uneaten food. (I don't think I overfeed, but I'm a big believer that there's always some food that "gets away".) More importantly, though, I added some fast-growing plants and I started vacuuming the tank differently.

I don't suggest that you add any more fish, since you probably need to transfer some of the ones you have to a different tank. So a substrate feeder is out of the question. You could probably safely add about 4 ghost shrimp if you'd like (someone correct me if I'm wrong), since everything I've read has led me to believe that they provide a great asset to your tank while having very little effect on your bioload. They will scavenge for what they need to eat, so don't overcompensate by trying to feed the shrimp as well, or your clever plan will backfire! :)

Try to get an idea of what kinds of plants would survive in your tank. If you don't have very bright lighting, or if you're not sure how bright your light is, you could try anacharis as a start. It is commonly available (around here at least), it seems to grow quickly, and it sucks a lot of its nutrients from the water column. If your problem is high phosphates and nitrates, this should help. If the anacharis grows spindly or seems not to grow at all, you will need a lower light plant. You can post to the Plants board for ideas. If you are sure that you have a fairly brightly lit tank, I'd go for a variety of myriophyllum (a "fluffy" plant -- your smaller fish will probably love it). That's what I'm using now, and it's great. A pretty plant, a pretty color, and it just chomps away at the "extras" in the water. Since I'm guessing that you don't have much experience with live plants, you should know that both of these are easy to plant. Take them home, take the little lead ring off the bottoms, and rinse them well in dechlorinated water. (Check for snails while you're at it.) Cut off the ends of the plants and strip the bottom 3/4-1" of foliage, then just push the stems into the gravel far enough that they stay put. If they end up floating up to the top, just replant them.

Okay, the other tip I have is to make sure that you're vacuuming well. Because no one gives us lessons in this stuff, I guess we just have to learn by experience. I was vacuuming the gravel in the same way you would vacuum your carpet -- by running the siphon tube over the gravel and picking up what was laying on top. I did this once or twice a week, and I paid special attention to the areas where the pleco (poop machine) spent most of his time. That worked very well for a few months. Then I started with the cloudy water problems. The problem was that anything that I didn't catch in the intervening days (or that had settled into the gravel) was now there to stay since I was just doing "surface cleaning".

My suggestion is this -- regardless of how well you think you're cleaning the tank, commit two weeks to cleaning the tank every other day. Aim for a small water change (10-15%) so you don't mess too much with the balance of the tank. Mentally separate your tank floor into sections, and each day vacuum only one section of the tank, but do it really well. Take the siphon tube and push it far into the gravel. Let it sit there until there's no cloudy water or bits of junk coming up through the tube, then move it to another spot about an inch away and repeat. Keep doing this until you've removed about 15% of the water, then call it quits until the next time. Strategically move your way around the tank, vacuuming very well. A benefit to doing this is that you get an idea of where the dirty areas are in your tank -- some will probably be consistently dirtier than others.

Whether or not you add any plants, try the vacuuming thing for two weeks and see if there is a substantial difference in the quality of your water. I can tell you that it made a huge difference in my tank. I think the new plant and the shrimp definitely helped to speed things along, but I think the change in cleaning methods is what has paid off in the long run.

Good luck,
Pamela
 
Hey Ravekiss I was doing my partial water change yesterday,and thinking about your problem.So I just going to throw this out. When I turn the lights off in the tank at night, I turn on two air stones, and run them untill next AM. I believe this helps oxygenate the water and helps fight bacteria as, the plants produce no oxygen in the dark. I put 1 level teaspoon of non iodized salte ( Rock Salt) for every five gallons of water. This ratio does not hurt my catfish or loaches,and helps reduce bacteria. I am really stingey at feeding, I use a sinking hard crumble food. I try feed just enough so that about one crumble per bottum fish hits the bottem at the front of the tank. I want the bottem fish hungrey. I don't like flake food, it is toooomessy (FOR ME). If the bottem fish start trying to feed at the surface, I know I need to feed a little more. My wife hollers at me " The fish are starving, they are begging every time I walk by " Well thats true, they are a little hungry, but they are healthy ( knock wood) the water is clear, and the plants are thriving.


The phosphate test and remedies may help. BUT the phosphate either got there in your tap water,your gravell, or you introduced with excess food or fish waste. And sooner or later the root problem Is what you have to control.

Well I feel like I'm starting to rave, ( probably comes with age )so Good Luck with your tank...................KF
 

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