My Kribs are all girls

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My four Kribs were bought very small. Now they have matured a little I am pretty sure they are all female. i.e rounded dorsals, red bellies and no spots on the the tails (they are about 25mm long now). Have i sexed them correctly and if so, will this be a problem or will male company be better for them. By the way i am having no major probelems with them at the moment, except the largest one throws her weight around a bit.

Cheers.
 
First, I will say in advance that I am not an authority. I bred a pair of kribs (as if they needed any assistance :D ) and they had themselves a passel of fry back in September '03. The father unfortunately became ill and died :( , but he was a great dad for a month or so. The "babies" are about 7 months old now, and some are approaching adult size. A few are still quite small. All but two or possibly three out of 24 seem to be males.

Now according to what I've read, this is not surprising, because my water has a high pH, about 7.5 or 7.6. I put a substrate in the tank when the fry were still small that brought it down temporarily, but it gradually climbed back up again. I have read that the sex of krib fry seems to be determined to a large degree by the pH of the water. High pH = males, low pH = females, neutral pH = balance. Is the pH of the tap water in your area low, by any chance?

But your first question was whether you were sexing them correctly. I think you are, even though it can be tricky, they do sound like females -- but I think I've read that spots on the tails have nothing to do with the sex, so that may be a myth. My female krib has other markings I had read only show up on males. The more rounded dorsal fin and the rounded red belly are more reliable indicators, although when I put the female in with my male, his belly turned pink, too -- just not as pronounced as hers. The female has a thicker look to her while the male is more sleek and long.

32 UK Gal Tank

10 Tiger Barbs (Soon to be re-homed in their own tank)
1 RTBS
4 Kribensis
4 Scissor Tails
4 Peppered Cory Cats
1 Albino Lemon Tetra ?maybe


As to whether or not they would be ok together, your tank is 32 UK gallons, and I don't remember the US conversion, except that I think your gallon is smaller than ours, so we'll just say it isn't an especially large tank. As for what other fish you have, I don't know that I would keep kribs and sharks together, but is that the shy and retiring shark? I can never keep them straight. Are there lots of cavelike structures in different areas of the tank? Kribs can be territorial, like any cichlid, and kribs really like their caves (as do sharks?). I've seen female kribs together at the lfs, and it seemed that one (the biggest) fish stayed in the cave and chased all the other fish away. The smallest females just cowered in the corners. So, my guess is, you are not going to enjoy four female kribs unless they each have their own territory and their own cave. I do kind of see an issue with everyone except the scissor tails haunting the bottom of the tank. How much floor space does your tank have?

I can tell you truly that a mated pair of kribs are a joy to watch, and when you hear people talk about this fish, or the ram, they usually talk about pairs. But I wish you the best of luck and I hope it all works out.
 
The RTBS may be a bit shy when young, but as it grows older it'll get more aggressive. Having 5 territorial fish (RTBS, kribs) in a tank that size is probably not the best idea. The poor cories can get caught in the middle too.
 
Thanks for your advice Alia. As you have probably guessed i am a relative new comer to the hobby. My first tank being only a few months old. I have had no deaths or illnesses yet (fingers crossed) and this is all down to advice from you guys here. :cool:

As for my kribs, not sure of local water PH, but mine reads at about 7.4. All tankmates get on fine, the Tigers sometimes pester the cories, but not for long or very seriously and the same can be said of the RTBS chasing the Tigers. they are all young though and i am looking at re-homing the tigers in another tank when i can afford it. The tank floor has several wood, cave and floral hide aways for them all and territoties seem to of been found and accepted.

Any more help anyone could offer would be greatly appreciated, as this tank has grown from the various articles nd advices i have received on TFF. Thanks all.
 
Thanks for your advice Alia. As you have probably guessed i am a relative new comer to the hobby. My first tank being only a few months old. I have had no deaths or illnesses yet (fingers crossed)

My pleasure. I'm seeing more kribs on the forum than I used to. They are such delightful fish, IMO. For only having a few months into the hobby, you speak intelligently enough about your fish -- hanging around this forum can educate you pretty quickly, can't it?

After seeing the photo of your kribs, I 'd say you are right, they certainly look like females. Any idea how old they are? Your plants look healthy, too. Is that a spotted ozelot? I ask because I have one and it looks like mine.

Well, it seems that you have things figured out, at least for the time being. Good luck and happy "fishing". :hyper:
 
Just checked the labels that came with my plants (wouldn't know what is what without them) and yes the plant in the background is 'Echinodurus Ozelot Green' A few of the inner leaves are slightly browning, any ideas?
 
dumb question. a lot of people say that it is bad to put kribs into a cummunity tank. would my 2 kirbs (female) do well in my 10 gallon community tank?

thanks
cat.fish
 
hi cat.fish! If your kribs were male, I'd say no prob, but just recently I read on this forum in several places that females don't play well with others. :angry:

Usually people say not to put breeding kribs in a community tank, for the other fishes protection, because a breeding pair can be very aggressive. Other people do it (albeit with larger tanks) and live with the fact that babies will get eaten. Or, people might put a breeding pair in with other aggressive fish.

If your females are juvenile (small) and the other fish are established in the tank, and you have two separate caves for the ladies to hang out in (small clay flowerpots will work fine), you might get away with it. That said, my worry is that your tank is quickly becoming overpopulated. Are you paying close attention to the adult sizes of the fish you add to it?

Also, since I know you set this tank up fairly recently, I wonder whether you are adding fish too quickly for the bacteria counts to keep up. Keep testing for ammonia and nitrite spikes, or you could lose your fish. :sad:

Btw, there are no dumb questions -- period! Good luck! :D
 
c1tyfc: regarding:
yes the plant in the background is 'Echinodurus Ozelot Green' A few of the inner leaves are slightly browning, any ideas?

I have had outer leaves die, but no inner leaves. If the newest leaves are dying, that would signal to me that the plant is undergoing some sort of stress, and I would be concerned.

But since I am far from being a plant expert, you should ask this question on the Garden Forum and see what they say. Sorry I can't be more help. :huh:
 
I kept a lone female Krib in my community tank for a number of months with no problems at all. She did "want" to spawn, and dug herself a cave, but with no male, she didn't get aggressive with her "spawn". True, female Kribs are normally more aggressive then males, but it can be done. :)
 
cat.fish said:
dumb question. a lot of people say that it is bad to put kribs into a cummunity tank. would my 2 kirbs (female) do well in my 10 gallon community tank?
In my opinion a 10 gal is too small for even one krib, and certainly not big enough for a community tank with them. A 20 gal US would be a better size, although even then it would be risky to comnbine them with other fish. Even females can be a bit aggressive, especially if the tank is small.
 
Just a side note...I have a pair of Kribs in with my Lake Tang.'s and they do just fine in there, actually they really hold their own!
 

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