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I think my lyretail swordy has columnaris disease....hmmm......she has a white patch near her gill/s on one side of her body that was just a patch but now looks like an ulcer. I have been treating her with salt and a general purpose fungus med which says treats columnaris. It hasn't gotten any better in 3 weeks. So today I bought some melafix (which says treats bacterial infections, which I think columnaris is)....Besides the ulcer thing she is totally normal. Eating normal, swimming and socialising and flirting with the male :p

Has anyone had any success with columnaris and melafix?

If not melafix what other meds have you had success with?

We don't have access to fish antibiotics in Australia so unfortunately that is not an option.

TIA
 
While i totally appreciate melafix because it is natural, i've had problems with it. I guess i must have always used to much or something cuz on a few occasions it killed off my good bacteria and my tank would start a cycle. total pain in the arse.
These days i swear by colloidal silver (sp?) It's expensive but I love the stuff.
 
columnaris is not a fungus! It is a gram negative, rod bacteria. Try antibacterial. I think melafix is one... Not sure. I've heard that maracyn or tetracycline will work.

If it acts like it's in pain, you need to euthanize. OR if it just has trouble swimming or just floats upside down. Anything out of the ordinary.

EDIT: I just re-read your post good. That doesn't sound like columnaris... Usually the fish dies 12-24 hrs after the white stuff sprouts. Is it fuzzy l;ooking? if so then its columnaris... If not, then I haven't got a clue what it is...
 
Well its had the white patch for a few weeks now, so I guess not columnaris. It wasn't fuzzy, just kinda like a big white patch....erm....it now appears ulcerated.....

Fish is not in pain, or swimming weird, or acting any differently to the othe fish.....
 
If that's all that's at your disposal, I say go for it...and if you can get a hold of some Pimafix, they can be used together.

And, of course, pristine water, no overfeeding, temp <77F.


Columnaris can kill overnight...but not necessarily so.
 
Hi Angry_Platy :)

Columnaris is a bacterial infection, but just one of many. Since your fish has been ill for an extended period of time, chances are that it does not have Columnaris, but rather one of the other bacterial infections. This might be a good thing, since one of the worst things about a Columnaris infection is the speed with which it can spread to other fish and it will often wipe out a whole tank overnight. The symptoms you describe is typical of a bacterial infection of some sort.

Be that as it may, your fish is sick and needs to be treated. MelaFix is a mild antibacterial and might help him. It is worth trying for a few days, but if you don't see any improvement, I always suggest moving on to a stronger medicine. It's a good idea to do a big water change and tank cleaning before starting it, and another substantial water change each day it is used.

If you were in the US I would recommend an antibiotic, but since they are not available to you, perhaps one of the meds from the UK is. In this case, Myxazin by Waterlife, or Interpet's Anti-Finrot & Fungus Medicine might work for you. Do you have access to either of these?

One of the most important things to do when a bacterial infection is present is to try to determine why the fish is sick and to remove the cause. Many potentially harmful bacteria are present in a tank at any given time, but they do not infect a fish until some form of stress weakens its immune system.

These stresses are often such things as overcrowding, uneaten food in the tank, aggressive tankmates, elevated nitrites, low oxygen content in the water, sudden increases in water temperature, or infrequent or inadequate water changes.

Water changes often do much to improve conditions and lower the bacterial count in the tank. It's a good thing to do them before starting treatment and at intervals during treatment as well, even if you have to add additional meds. Always continue treatment at least the full time the package directions prescribe, or even longer to be sure the disease is fully cured and to prevent these harmful bacteria from mutating into a form that is resistant to that medication in the future.

If you lower the water temperature to no more than 24 degrees C. (75-76 degrees F.) and add an airstone to increase the oxygen content in the water, it will also help by slowing the bacteria's ability to reproduce itself, which will give the medication an additional advantage.

Good luck with the treatment, Angry_Platy. Please let me know how things work out for him. :D
 
In this case, Myxazin by Waterlife, or Interpet's Anti-Finrot & Fungus Medicine might work for you. Do you have access to either of these?

I have access to Myxazin but not Interpret products. Australia is very limited as to medications and the like.

The bottle of melafix says to treat for 7 days then do a water change. Should I treat like this or shorter if I don't see an improvement after a few days?

These stresses are often such things as overcrowding, uneaten food in the tank, aggressive tankmates, elevated nitrites, low oxygen content in the water, sudden increases in water temperature, or infrequent or inadequate water changes.

The affected fish is new...I have had her for about 3 weeks and she had the symptoms 2 days after I got her. I amguessing the stress came from the move from the LFS and the move from the breeder to the LFS....she had only been in the LFSfor a day when I bought her (I know, it is short and normally I would wait till they had been there longer but being a lyretail they sell extremely quick). The tank is not overcrowded, I feed once every 4 days so there shouldn't be uneaten food, water checks on ites, ates and ammo were fine, water temperature has been stable and being a sick tank the tank gets 2 water changes a week. The other resident fish in there are OK....guppies and their fry.

The affected fish is acting like there is nothing wrong. Which gives me hops since if it were a "bad" infection she'd be flashing, hiding, clamping etc.

I will let you know how she goes IW :nod:

Thanks for the help!! :thumbs:
 
The bottle of melafix says to treat for 7 days then do a water change. Should I treat like this or shorter if I don't see an improvement after a few days?

Hi Angry_Platy :)

Frankly, I don't like the directions for use that are on the MelaFix bottle. By the end of the course of treatment there is an awful lot of MelaFix in the water and this alone can be a problem. I have heard of instances where using too much of it has caused burns on the fish.

When I use MelaFix to treat bacterial infections, I do a big (50%) water change and bottom cleaning and usually follow the directions of 1 tsp per 10 gallons of water, maybe a little more. (Make very sure it is well mixed with the water you are adding to the tank and never add it directly to the tank itself.) After that, I do about a 1/3 water change a day and add back about a tsp of MelaFix.

I've found that if it is going to help, the improvement will often be dramatic, with significant improvement visible within 2 to 3 days, if not sooner.

It probably was the stress of being shipped and put in different water than caused your fish to become sick. I would have done the same as you did and bought her anyway. It's the same with many corys. If you don't take advantage of the opportunity to buy them when you see them, you might not get another chance.

I hope this helps. :D
 
I have just checked her and she "seems" to be healing a bit. When I looekd at the ulcer this morning I was like, OMG!! Now I am like, hmmm, perhaps the melafix is starting to work. So far I have only added 2 doses...fins crossed on this once considering I lost the other swordy to some sinister bacterial infection (I think)....

Once again IW, thanks heaps!!!
 

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