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Male or female Angel fish?
- Thread starter Twilko
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Angels are almost impossible to sex from body shape.
Your best bet is to keep a close eye on them until you can see their breeding tubes, which will appear when they're ready to spawn. Females will have a short, fat, blunt, cone shaped breeding tube, while males will have a thin pointed one, that looks almost worm like. Observation of the breeding tubes is the only 100% to sex angels.
I know it's not what you're asking about, but I have to tell you that a 64l tank is not big enough for angels; they really need to be in a tank at least three feet in length and 18" deep.
Quite apart from the risks of stunting, a tank of that size is not going to be big enough to house a breeding pair along with other fish. Breeding angels are very likely to kill any fish coming too close to their spawn, and there won't be enough room in your tank for the other fish to get far enough away.
Your best bet is to keep a close eye on them until you can see their breeding tubes, which will appear when they're ready to spawn. Females will have a short, fat, blunt, cone shaped breeding tube, while males will have a thin pointed one, that looks almost worm like. Observation of the breeding tubes is the only 100% to sex angels.
I know it's not what you're asking about, but I have to tell you that a 64l tank is not big enough for angels; they really need to be in a tank at least three feet in length and 18" deep.
Quite apart from the risks of stunting, a tank of that size is not going to be big enough to house a breeding pair along with other fish. Breeding angels are very likely to kill any fish coming too close to their spawn, and there won't be enough room in your tank for the other fish to get far enough away.
I concur with all of fluttermoth's post. Additionally, from the photos there are other fish that should not be in this tank, due to tank size but also the combination of fish species is not compatible. I'll leave that and move to the angelfish question.
Obviously one is female if eggs were laid. If you see the other fish appear to "fertilize" the eggs if they are laid again, that might indicate a male, though I must confess I do not know if another female might do similar behaviour.
Let's assume you lucked out with a male/female pair. Now we have other issues.
Commercially-raised angelfish (as opposed to wild caught) frequently eat the first few spawns. Wild caught fish (which you are highly unlikely to find in most stores unless they specifically import wild fish and say this) do not do this from what I have read. This isn't really a problem, as one just has to have patience and let the fish settle down before a spawning will be more likely to succeed. I should also mention that any stress to the parents during the egg guarding, or after the fry hatch, will almost always cause the parents to eat the eggs or fry. This aside from everything else would almost certainly occur here, because of the fish species visible in the photos in such a small (to the fish) space.
Next, angelfish must select their mates and bond. Any male/female "pair" placed together may or may not result in success. This applies to many cichlids. There may be a couple of spawns before the male or female decides the "mate" is a no-go, and the loser invariably ends up dead. In the wild, the fish live in shoals and select their mates and spawn. Harassed fish can easily move away out of danger, but in the confines of an aquarium no matter how large this is not possible.
If you do have two females, they may or may not get along long-term. Two males certainly would not, but one of these has to be female so you don't have that problem. And it would have been evident from the first, as the very small tank space would not allow two or more males to live together for much beyond a few days.
Byron.
Obviously one is female if eggs were laid. If you see the other fish appear to "fertilize" the eggs if they are laid again, that might indicate a male, though I must confess I do not know if another female might do similar behaviour.
Let's assume you lucked out with a male/female pair. Now we have other issues.
Commercially-raised angelfish (as opposed to wild caught) frequently eat the first few spawns. Wild caught fish (which you are highly unlikely to find in most stores unless they specifically import wild fish and say this) do not do this from what I have read. This isn't really a problem, as one just has to have patience and let the fish settle down before a spawning will be more likely to succeed. I should also mention that any stress to the parents during the egg guarding, or after the fry hatch, will almost always cause the parents to eat the eggs or fry. This aside from everything else would almost certainly occur here, because of the fish species visible in the photos in such a small (to the fish) space.
Next, angelfish must select their mates and bond. Any male/female "pair" placed together may or may not result in success. This applies to many cichlids. There may be a couple of spawns before the male or female decides the "mate" is a no-go, and the loser invariably ends up dead. In the wild, the fish live in shoals and select their mates and spawn. Harassed fish can easily move away out of danger, but in the confines of an aquarium no matter how large this is not possible.
If you do have two females, they may or may not get along long-term. Two males certainly would not, but one of these has to be female so you don't have that problem. And it would have been evident from the first, as the very small tank space would not allow two or more males to live together for much beyond a few days.
Byron.
I still consider 185l very borderline for a breeding pair of angels and additional fish. Importantly, you want to get a high tank (at least 50 cm). Furthermore, this tank is going to be too small for a group of Congo tetras for sure!
Maybe you should open a new topic to discuss the setup of your new tank BEFORE you start. There are plenty of issues you are propably not aware of including water parameters.
Coming back to your original question. It is definitely difficult to judge the sex of angels by pictures and there is no guaranty for me being correct, but (
) imho the first is the male and the second the female angel.Similar threads
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