Chri$
Fish Herder
pc all the way! 
Mac Or Pc?
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but we dont talk about that The Mac virii wil be taking advantage of old problems with the Unix OS that have been unpatched by the MacOS developmet of it.
Mac OS will still be var more virus-free than Windows, but theres no such thing as completely virus free. I wrote my first virus for the Amiga
The Mac virii wil be taking advantage of old problems with the Unix OS that have been unpatched by the MacOS developmet of it.Mac OS will still be var more virus-free than Windows, but theres no such thing as completely virus free. I wrote my first virus for the Amiga
andywg
Bored into leaving
Where's the BBC Micro option...? Actually, I did buy a speccy +2 not that long ago from Ebay...that loading screen and noise...
Seriously, I have had to use macs and never liked them. I also don't like the over controlling ethos of them, and the whole style over substance (think iPod). However, I have come to hate MS with a passion.
That leaves me with Linux, which is taking a little while to get into, but I really feel that Open Source is the future of software.
Seriously, I have had to use macs and never liked them. I also don't like the over controlling ethos of them, and the whole style over substance (think iPod). However, I have come to hate MS with a passion.
That leaves me with Linux, which is taking a little while to get into, but I really feel that Open Source is the future of software.
onemisterchristian
Fishaholic
Nice article sirminion, and i do agree with many of the points...mainly the no security by obscurity. But still it even says in the article...
Several people asked me for examples of worms, spyware, keyloggers and even viruses for the Mac.
As I've said - let me say it again - there aren't any viruses and I don't think there will be.
touche
Several people asked me for examples of worms, spyware, keyloggers and even viruses for the Mac.
As I've said - let me say it again - there aren't any viruses and I don't think there will be.
touche
I also believe that Open Source is the way to go. Professionals coming together and developing software, and people like me attempting to contribute whatever I can (www.staticnuke.com for the PHP Nuke webmasters out there ). The fact of the OS issue is this: Macs are expensive because of hte hardware, PCs are expensive because of the OS. Make the OS free and PC has the ultimate edge: cost effectiveness. Most people are willing to trade quality or function for something cheaper, especially if the something cheaper comes with free stuff.
BBC Micro. I actually wrote a bad and ball game in BBC Micro, i think it was about 8000 lines of basic and I still have a copy on a 5 1/4" disk The good old days!
I remember with the BBC Micro I could flip the power switch, wait less than a second for a beep and hey presto, theres my files to modify! Now that computers are thousands of times faster... Im waitng upwards of 30 seconds on some systems before the OS loads... and even after that Ive got to wait while the OS gets itself organized (I like to think of that extra waiting time as the OS getting its pants on and adjusting its tie ).
One problem with Open Source its its developmental cycles. People donating spare time to a project is great, but it doesnt make for a stable development environment. WINE (Windows is Not An Emulator) for Linux (lets you run windows applications like MS Office on Linux) is only just coming from Alpha to Beta after over seven years of development.
That said - it still works better than Windows, and apparantly Windows is worth $140+. I dont think so...
). The fact of the OS issue is this: Macs are expensive because of hte hardware, PCs are expensive because of the OS. Make the OS free and PC has the ultimate edge: cost effectiveness. Most people are willing to trade quality or function for something cheaper, especially if the something cheaper comes with free stuff.BBC Micro. I actually wrote a bad and ball game in BBC Micro, i think it was about 8000 lines of basic and I still have a copy on a 5 1/4" disk
The good old days!I remember with the BBC Micro I could flip the power switch, wait less than a second for a beep and hey presto, theres my files to modify! Now that computers are thousands of times faster... Im waitng upwards of 30 seconds on some systems before the OS loads... and even after that Ive got to wait while the OS gets itself organized (I like to think of that extra waiting time as the OS getting its pants on and adjusting its tie
).One problem with Open Source its its developmental cycles. People donating spare time to a project is great, but it doesnt make for a stable development environment. WINE (Windows is Not An Emulator) for Linux (lets you run windows applications like MS Office on Linux) is only just coming from Alpha to Beta after over seven years of development.
That said - it still works better than Windows, and apparantly Windows is worth $140+. I dont think so...
Arfie
Fish Herder
I remember my VIC20 
in fact, I still have it 
and my C64 
but I spent more time programming them than playing games 
probably why I wear spectagles now. But I've still got a copy of JetPak somewhere B)
I did my BTEC National Diploma in computer studies back in the 80's on BBC model B and CBM's (they were the dogs dangleys
) with the built in green screen Learned to program in basic, pascal and cobol on them 
We also nearly got kicked out of college for reprogramming the roms on a few of the BBC's to display rude messages on boot up 
Arfie
in fact, I still have it and my C64 but I spent more time programming them than playing games probably why I wear spectagles now. But I've still got a copy of JetPak somewhere B) I did my BTEC National Diploma in computer studies back in the 80's on BBC model B and CBM's (they were the dogs dangleys
) with the built in green screen Learned to program in basic, pascal and cobol on them We also nearly got kicked out of college for reprogramming the roms on a few of the BBC's to display rude messages on boot up Arfie
Nice article sirminion, and i do agree with many of the points...mainly the no security by obscurity. But still it even says in the article... Several people asked me for examples of worms, spyware, keyloggers and even viruses for the Mac.As I've said - let me say it again - there aren't any viruses and I don't think there will be. touche
Right back at ya Buddy:
Only a month after that first article came this:
http
/news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4723390.stmonemisterchristian
Fishaholic
Good point, I'm impressed. However it is a bit strange. The thing may as well say CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD NEW MAC VIRUS. Anyways...the rest of my rebuttle
Network Worms
Email Worms
IM Worms
Internet Worms
IRC Worms
P2P Worms
Classic Viruses
File and Boot Viruses
Macro Viruses
Script Viruses
Trojan Programs
Backdoors
General Trojans
PSW Trojans
Trojan Clickers
Trojan Downloaders
Trojan Droppers
Trojan Proxies
Trojan Spies
Other Malware
DoS Tools
HackTools
Flooders
VirTools
Nukers
I realize there are just far too many to list check the list...VIRUS List
Mac-1
PC-countless
* I wish I could spell things right before I post them!
Network Worms
Email Worms
IM Worms
Internet Worms
IRC Worms
P2P Worms
Classic Viruses
File and Boot Viruses
Macro Viruses
Script Viruses
Trojan Programs
Backdoors
General Trojans
PSW Trojans
Trojan Clickers
Trojan Downloaders
Trojan Droppers
Trojan Proxies
Trojan Spies
Other Malware
DoS Tools
HackTools
Flooders
VirTools
Nukers
I realize there are just far too many to list check the list...VIRUS List
Mac-1
PC-countless
* I wish I could spell things right before I post them!
andywg
Bored into leaving
The reason there are few viruses for macs is because they are so limited. You want to write a virus to cause damage, Do you target a minority usergroup, or the group which represents 90% of computers in the world? It's just not worth bothering for the serious hackers.
If macs become popular because of the lack of malicious software, then that popularity will become its downfall.
If macs become popular because of the lack of malicious software, then that popularity will become its downfall.
Cheese Specialist
Newbie
PC but I would have preffered a MAC. Unfortunatley I cannot afford one nor get the software.
Teelie
Fish Aficionado
Nice article sirminion, and i do agree with many of the points...mainly the no security by obscurity. But still it even says in the article... Several people asked me for examples of worms, spyware, keyloggers and even viruses for the Mac.As I've said - let me say it again - there aren't any viruses and I don't think there will be. touche
Right back at ya Buddy:
Only a month after that first article came this:
http
There are actually a 100 or so Mac viruses out there but like with Windows, some affect only certain versions of the OS. Anyone claiming an OS of any variety has no viruses is either ignorant or in denial. The only way for an OS to not get a virus is to never be publically released.
Well, im not great with computers and no very little about viruses. My computer has been broken a few tiomes and im told it was viruses and stuff (apparently when a balloon thing pops up saying my anti-virus needs updating i need to click it, not ignore it! ) but my computer knowledge ends atr turning it on and connecting to t'internet
I use a PC, always have and love them! My PC is old now (had it 5 years, awww...lol) and its still doing well. Never had any problems other than those that were my fault - the viruses! It does everything i need it too and its really easy to use. Not sure about the set up stuff as my dad did it and he's good with computers, but it didn't look too complicated
But, a friend of mine has macs and she loves them, she'd never have anything else!! She even works at a shop selling them (lots of free/reduced iPod stuff for me ) I have used her computer a few times and actually find it a bit annoying - you cant 'right click' 
and half the stuff i use you cant use on her computer, lots of the updates take longer to come out on MAC - MSN is the one she moans about and just me being picky but her computer makes some weird noises! She paid a ridiculous amount of money for it - Over £2000 for a laptop that has less memory and all that sort of stuff than my 5 year old desktop PC I think i paid about £700 for mine, which i guess was a lot but that was with free printer, scanner, and some packages for my computer - Office and stuff, ooh, and games
Also, most of the stuff i think is good on MAC you can get for the PC anyway (iTunes!) so i really cant see the point of paying so much more for one of those. Admittedly i may be missing somehting with the whole technical side of the argument, but as someone who uses the computer just for uni work and internet/email I'd never get a MAC. They look nice, but are so overpriced for what they are! I'd rather have my PC for another 5 years
) but my computer knowledge ends atr turning it on and connecting to t'internet I use a PC, always have and love them!
My PC is old now (had it 5 years, awww...lol) and its still doing well. Never had any problems other than those that were my fault - the viruses! It does everything i need it too and its really easy to use. Not sure about the set up stuff as my dad did it and he's good with computers, but it didn't look too complicated But, a friend of mine has macs and she loves them, she'd never have anything else!! She even works at a shop selling them
(lots of free/reduced iPod stuff for me ) I have used her computer a few times and actually find it a bit annoying - you cant 'right click' and half the stuff i use you cant use on her computer, lots of the updates take longer to come out on MAC - MSN is the one she moans about and just me being picky but her computer makes some weird noises! She paid a ridiculous amount of money for it - Over £2000 for a laptop that has less memory and all that sort of stuff than my 5 year old desktop PC I think i paid about £700 for mine, which i guess was a lot but that was with free printer, scanner, and some packages for my computer - Office and stuff, ooh, and games Also, most of the stuff i think is good on MAC you can get for the PC anyway (iTunes!) so i really cant see the point of paying so much more for one of those. Admittedly i may be missing somehting with the whole technical side of the argument, but as someone who uses the computer just for uni work and internet/email I'd never get a MAC. They look nice, but are so overpriced for what they are! I'd rather have my PC for another 5 years
wendywc
Rocking a crabshell for a hat.
Mac OS X does have right-click; the older OS didn't. But you do need a right-click mouse which usually doesn't come with the systems. 
And all my macs have been used (about a year old when I buy them) so I don't pay premium prices for them. Besides iTunes, other Apple software that I like is iMovie (to edit my movies from my DV camcorder) and iDVD (making DVDs with menus and slideshows, music, etc.). Those aren't available for the PC.
Also, people have argued that you can install Virtual PC on the Mac to access your PC software and files. Honestly, I don't like this because it's slower that just going to a PC system which I also have. But I do have older systems than other Mac users and an older version of Virtual PC, so maybe it's improved now.
Like I said, it's Mac for home and PC for work for me. But that's just because most companies use PCs since it is more prevelant and has more software support.
And all my macs have been used (about a year old when I buy them) so I don't pay premium prices for them. Besides iTunes, other Apple software that I like is iMovie (to edit my movies from my DV camcorder) and iDVD (making DVDs with menus and slideshows, music, etc.). Those aren't available for the PC.Also, people have argued that you can install Virtual PC on the Mac to access your PC software and files. Honestly, I don't like this because it's slower that just going to a PC system which I also have. But I do have older systems than other Mac users and an older version of Virtual PC, so maybe it's improved now.
Like I said, it's Mac for home and PC for work for me. But that's just because most companies use PCs since it is more prevelant and has more software support.
Honestly?
From my expirence, Macs are way too over priced for what their worth.
ESPECIALLY iPod products.
I have a black iPod 30GB that works fantastic, and I couldn't be happier with it.
Except the extras, like cases, speakers, extra cords, ect.
Proud PC supporter.
From my expirence, Macs are way too over priced for what their worth.
ESPECIALLY iPod products.
I have a black iPod 30GB that works fantastic, and I couldn't be happier with it.
Except the extras, like cases, speakers, extra cords, ect.
Proud PC supporter.
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