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I have 2 comet goldfish in a fairly large tank and I have room for one more fish. I'm still looking for the perfect fish to go with them. I've been looking at Guppies and did some research, and you can have Guppies with Goldfish. I still think I am just going with another small comet.
 
I have 2 comet goldfish in a fairly large tank and I have room for one more fish. I'm still looking for the perfect fish to go with them. I've been looking at Guppies and did some research, and you can have Guppies with Goldfish. I still think I am just going with another small comet.


Carry on and have guppies with goldfish, when the goldfish are big enough you will once more have just goldfish lol.

it's a cold water setup and guppies are tropical fish ...ie. warm water... what makes you think they would be good companions?


How big is the tank?
 
I have 2 comet goldfish in a fairly large tank and I have room for one more fish. I'm still looking for the perfect fish to go with them. I've been looking at Guppies and did some research, and you can have Guppies with Goldfish. I still think I am just going with another small comet.


Carry on and have guppies with goldfish, when the goldfish are big enough you will once more have just goldfish lol.

it's a cold water setup and guppies are tropical fish ...ie. warm water... what makes you think they would be good companions?


How big is the tank?
My tank is around 6-7 gallons.
It says that Guppies can live in waters around 65 farenheit, 18 celcius.
If guppies aren't a good choice, I think I'm going for a Golden Dojo Loach, which in the store that I get my fish at live with the comets.

Edit: And also, my fish "Oreo" is still brownish but turning much lighter also, so he is a kid.
 
I have 2 comet goldfish in a fairly large tank and I have room for one more fish. I'm still looking for the perfect fish to go with them. I've been looking at Guppies and did some research, and you can have Guppies with Goldfish. I still think I am just going with another small comet.


Carry on and have guppies with goldfish, when the goldfish are big enough you will once more have just goldfish lol.

it's a cold water setup and guppies are tropical fish ...ie. warm water... what makes you think they would be good companions?


How big is the tank?
My tank is around 6-7 gallons.
It says that Guppies can live in waters around 65 farenheit, 18 celcius.
If guppies aren't a good choice, I think I'm going for a Golden Dojo Loach, which in the store that I get my fish at live with the comets.

Edit: And also, my fish "Oreo" is still brownish but turning much lighter also, so he is a kid.


Well sorry to say but that tank is far from big enough to house 1 goldfish, never mind two and then you want to add more fish?, have a good read on the forum on different topics m8, great source of info for beginners :)

jen
 
Carry on and have guppies with goldfish, when the goldfish are big enough you will once more have just goldfish lol.

it's a cold water setup and guppies are tropical fish ...ie. warm water... what makes you think they would be good companions?


How big is the tank?


Well sorry to say but that tank is far from big enough to house 1 goldfish, never mind two and then you want to add more fish?, have a good read on the forum on different topics m8, great source of info for beginners :)

jen
I don't know, maybe I'll stick with what I have, It's the biggest tank I have right at the moment, plus I can't afford a bigger one, or for that matter, even have the space for a bigger one.
 
Carry on and have guppies with goldfish, when the goldfish are big enough you will once more have just goldfish lol.

it's a cold water setup and guppies are tropical fish ...ie. warm water... what makes you think they would be good companions?


How big is the tank?


Well sorry to say but that tank is far from big enough to house 1 goldfish, never mind two and then you want to add more fish?, have a good read on the forum on different topics m8, great source of info for beginners :)

jen
I don't know, maybe I'll stick with what I have, It's the biggest tank I have right at the moment, plus I can't afford a bigger one, or for that matter, even have the space for a bigger one.


Just a thought, you could take the goldfish back, go buy a heater and have a couple of guppies in that size tank :good:
 
I have 2 comet goldfish in a fairly large tank and I have room for one more fish

I don't know where you got the idea 6 gallons was in any way large when it's barely big enough to cope with a betta.

YOU DO NOT HAVE ROOM FOR EVEN ONE GOLDFISH, LET ALONE THREE.


It's ok, I'll just live with what I have.


In which case your goldfish are not going to live for very long at all. Your fish should not have to suffer to live with what you have. As the owner it is your responsibility to provide that fish with the correct sized tank for it's species, and you are not doing this. By continuing to keep it incorrectly, and KNOWING you are keeping it incorrectly, you are causing cruelty. I'm not saying that to be harsh, I'm saying it because it is a basic fact.

Each fish requires 30 gallons minimum. Absloute bare minimum, preferably 55 gallons or bigger for just two goldfish. And I'm not talking normal goldfish, I mean fancy round bodied goldfish. Normal bodied varieties are pond fish. They get even longer than fancies. 14 inches is pretty normal.

To keep a normal bodied goldfish indoors you need a tank at least 5 feet long for it to have room to grow , and swim up and down. They are vey messy, eat a lot and crap a lot. They require a big external filter to be able to cope with all the waste they produce, and even then you have to do large regular water changes.

I know what your going to say. You're going to say something to the effect that your fish look fine, swim well, eat and are generally in what you think is good health. This will not last. You've crammed them into a tiny tank where they will not be able to grow, and you cannot attatch a filter that can cater to their needs.

By keeping those fish in a tiny 6 gallon tank, you WILL kill them eventually. Such a small amount of water and space will stunt the growth of the fish. And shorten their lifespan. Do you actually WANT to do that to a living thing? If the answer is yes then frankly I wonder at your sanity. You certainly cannot claim to care for the fish if you actually want to do that to one. And that is what you are doing by keeping it in such a tiny tank.

Also, there is no filter in existance that will work on a tank that small to cope with the amount of waste a goldfish produces. I hope you're doing daily water changes to keep the ammonia levels at zero, if not, you are causing your fish to sit and suffer in their own crap. In their own waste. A bit like locking you in your own bathroom for the rest of your short life , and never opening the windows for fresh air. Sound good? No. Not really.

If by some miracle they do grow, they will outgrow their living space and be pretty much unable to swim more than a few inches or turn around properly at the end of the tank. In which case you will have no option but to get a bigger home. But by this point the fish will be suffering anyway. How do you feel about being the cause of that?


If you cannot afford a bigger tank, or have not got space for a bigger tank, then PLEASE, if you care anything for the fish, grow up, drop the "mine mine mine I don't wanna give it up" attitude, and rehome the fish with someone who has the correct space for them, or take them to a store who can care for them. There is absolutely no need to make those fish suffer because you won't suck it up and do the right thing.
 
i thought and have read that stunting resulting in damaging a fishes organs is a myth and diseases due to bad water in a small tank is normally what kills the fish

Yes he should get a bigger tank but not because the fish will suffer from stunting but because of other factors



taken from scientific section

from "Development and aging of the liver and pancreas in the domestic carp, Cyprinus carpio: From embryogenesis to 15-year-old fish" by Fishelson L and Becker K in ENVIRONMENTAL BIOLOGY OF FISHES Vol 61 Issume (1) pages 85-97, 2001,

"In 15-year-old experimentally stunted fish (110-120 mm TL) the liver and pancreas resemble those of juvenile fish appearing much healthier than those of 8-10 year old large carp from commercial ponds. "

Sure, those are only a few organs and a general assumption about all the organs cannot be completely made completlely accurately, but the liver is a fairly sensiitve organ since it does a lot of the housekeeping of the fish's immune system.

Here is another from "Effect of stunting of juvenile bighead carp Aristichthys nobilis (Richardson) on compensatory growth and reproduction" by Santiago CB, Gonzal AC, Aralar EV, Arcilla RP in AQUACULTURE RESEARCH Vol 35 Issue (9) pages 836-841, JUL 23 2004:

"The carp stunted for 6, 12 and 18 months showed growth compensation, although their weights and lengths were slightly lower than those of the control fish. The body weight and length of fish stunted for 24 months were the lowest throughout the rearing period. Sexual maturation occurred only in the control fish and those stunted for 6 and 12 months. However, the onset of gonad maturity was delayed significantly (P<0.05) in males stunted for 12 months and in both groups of stunted female fish. "

Stunting delayed the development of the fish, but no mention of bulging organs or other deformities.
I believe that some of this comes from the knowledge that teleosts (bony fishes) are considered to have indeterminate growth, that is, they continue to grow over their entire lifespan. However, as some point in their lives, they devote some, and usually most of their resource intake into reproduction -- generating eggs and maturing their sexual organs. In almost every case, this results in a sigmoidal growth curve: slow at first as fry can only take in a certain amount of food, then rapid in their first year(s) as growth is dominant, then almost all resources get devoted to reproduction related activities.

Ultimately, why would nature allow the growth rates of the skeleton and the organs to be different?!?

Finally, every time I've seen one of these posts, I always ask: does anyone actually have a fish with bulging organs from stunting? I've never, ever seen a good example, and I've asked many, many times before. All I've ever seen is rumor, and "friend-of-a-friend" stories, and hearsay. Never anything actually factually presented. So, does anyone actually have a fish with bulging organs caused by stunting (and only stunting). You're probably going to have to perform a necropsy, and do it with the aid of a trained ichthyologist who will be able to identify whether an organ is larger than normal or not. I know it is a lot, but unless we have this kind of info, just the word of someone is insufficient.
 
I didn't say anything about organs and I have read that article before by the way.

Regardless, stunting the growth of any living thing because you refuse to find it the correct living space is an abhorrent thing to do. You wouldn't do it to another animal such as a dog or bird or rabbit, why do it to a fish?
 
Education rather than flaming someone will go down a great deal better. Its not for us to judge how someone keeps their fish, and if he does lose his fish then hopefully he will think about it more and choose more wisely.

I wont close the thread yet but please remember that young fishkeepers need guidance more than insults.
 
Jpmc™

i've posted in your other post some tips to help keep the fish alive and well in the short term until you can find a free or cheap tank
 
I have 2 comet goldfish in a fairly large tank and I have room for one more fish. I'm still looking for the perfect fish to go with them. I've been looking at Guppies and did some research, and you can have Guppies with Goldfish. I still think I am just going with another small comet.


Carry on and have guppies with goldfish, when the goldfish are big enough you will once more have just goldfish lol.

it's a cold water setup and guppies are tropical fish ...ie. warm water... what makes you think they would be good companions?


How big is the tank?


just something good to know, i got some guppies from big als a while ago, i keep them in an unheated tank, they are more active than any other guppies i have ever seen, THEY JUST NEVER STOP MOVING :crazy: the only down side is that the females only give birth ever two months or so, a lot slower than warmwater guppies, but that just makes it even more exiting when they do have babies

ps. i keep these guppies with two, sry, make that one comet goldfish :-(
 

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