Live Fish Eating In China

[MBOU]

alsoo mbou its a little bizare that you assume every one who is against fox hunting dont know the ins and outs of the "sport". im not argueing im just saying

Don't think i said this? Just said I dissagree with the ban (though dont think i even said that!) and that i think PETA are useless. I dont mind people disagreeing with foxhunting at all, would be a boring world if we all thought identical thoughts and had same opinins! well... wouldnt even be opinions then would it?

Though i really struggle to understand how people can be so against something they havent tried without being bias? Not just hunting.. but like.. my brother has become a vegetarian because 'its cruel and unecessary to eat animals' which is a load of rubbish and he has no idea of how the animals are raised or culled? he has based his opinion purely on other peoples opinions... and not only that but he isnt interested in learning more and he doesnt eat the right foods at all and will eventually make himself really ill. Or people who say "I really hate snakes" and yet have never seen one in the flesh let alone held one... or "i hate sprouts" and yet have never eaten them or tried them once 20 years ago when they were 4 or something.

Its not that i dissagree with people as such but more how they can come to such an opinion without any real understanding of the situation?

Get me? im rubbish at trying to put my thoughts into writing!

 

[lloyd]

alsoo mbou its a little bizare that you assume every one who is against fox hunting dont know the ins and outs of the "sport". im not argueing im just saying

Don't think i said this? Just said I dissagree with the ban (though dont think i even said that!) and that i think PETA are useless. I dont mind people disagreeing with foxhunting at all, would be a boring world if we all thought identical thoughts and had same opinins! well... wouldnt even be opinions then would it?

Though i really struggle to understand how people can be so against something they havent tried without being bias? Not just hunting.. but like.. my brother has become a vegetarian because 'its cruel and unecessary to eat animals' which is a load of rubbish and he has no idea of how the animals are raised or culled? he has based his opinion purely on other peoples opinions... and not only that but he isnt interested in learning more and he doesnt eat the right foods at all and will eventually make himself really ill. Or people who say "I really hate snakes" and yet have never seen one in the flesh let alone held one... or "i hate sprouts" and yet have never eaten them or tried them once 20 years ago when they were 4 or something.

Its not that i dissagree with people as such but more how they can come to such an opinion without any real understanding of the situation?

Get me? im rubbish at trying to put my thoughts into writing!

I see where your coming from with the eaing sprouts and holding snakes but you cant say dont knock foxhunting till you have tried.

i could see where you would be coming from if you said dont start knock foxhunting until you completly tried to learn and understand it. i still dont think there is an excuse for it though.

in terms of not knocking something till you have tried it, you openly said yourself that you wouldnt try live food from china

 

[tomtomtom1230]

I sincerely disagree with fox hunting, I can't even begin to imagine the animals' fear whilst being pursued and hunted down. Not only that, foxes are a threatened species I believe. I really don't see the appeal but some people obviously do, otherwise it wouldn't have been around for god knows how long. Just like this China food thing, as I said, it's probably been around for hundreds, if not thousands of years.

 

[Staxx]

it will never stop, same as whaling(sp?)

 

[tomtomtom1230]

That's the correct spelling I think

 

[FishBlast]

Torture means to continually cause pain, often for the enjoyment of an audience, but sometimes for justice. In the case of the fish, the fish is kept in a state that causes it pain, only for the audience to enjoy their moving meal. The fish being alive does nothing more except satisfy someone's eyes (if even that). Which is why I find it pointless, culture or not.

 

[FishFanatic04]

alsoo mbou its a little bizare that you assume every one who is against fox hunting dont know the ins and outs of the "sport". im not argueing im just saying

Don't think i said this? Just said I dissagree with the ban (though dont think i even said that!) and that i think PETA are useless. I dont mind people disagreeing with foxhunting at all, would be a boring world if we all thought identical thoughts and had same opinins! well... wouldnt even be opinions then would it?

Though i really struggle to understand how people can be so against something they havent tried without being bias? Not just hunting.. but like.. my brother has become a vegetarian because 'its cruel and unecessary to eat animals' which is a load of rubbish and he has no idea of how the animals are raised or culled? he has based his opinion purely on other peoples opinions... and not only that but he isnt interested in learning more and he doesnt eat the right foods at all and will eventually make himself really ill. Or people who say "I really hate snakes" and yet have never seen one in the flesh let alone held one... or "i hate sprouts" and yet have never eaten them or tried them once 20 years ago when they were 4 or something.

Its not that i dissagree with people as such but more how they can come to such an opinion without any real understanding of the situation?

Get me? im rubbish at trying to put my thoughts into writing!

Been reading this thread from the beginning and I was thinking similar thoughts. There are tribal people all over the world that gladly eat live bugs, insects, creepy crawlies. Is anyone going to shout out that the tribal people are cruel?

I am a meat eater and understand where my food comes from. Chicken farms are one of the nastiest things I have ever seen. It's really awful, but I love me some chicken! It is not pretty, but those people eating the live fish do not think they are being cruel I am sure. It is their food. A certain amount of control should be in place for the treatment of animals, but is it really cruel when they are in the process of eating the fish? I guess I think it is better then actual cruelty {poking at something with stick} Personally no live fish for me, but as long as the Japanese stop whaling, my animal cruelty campaigns will end.

Do you think it is less cruel to put a live lobster in a pot of boiling water, or a crab? They have to be alive until you are ready to cook them because they go bad so quickly.

Torture means to continually cause pain, often for the enjoyment of an audience, but sometimes for justice. In the case of the fish, the fish is kept in a state that causes it pain, only for the audience to enjoy their moving meal. The fish being alive does nothing more except satisfy someone's eyes (if even that). Which is why I find it pointless, culture or not.

This is my point. They are not torturing the fish continually at all are they? Once the eat the fish it is over.

 

[FishBlast]

alsoo mbou its a little bizare that you assume every one who is against fox hunting dont know the ins and outs of the "sport". im not argueing im just saying

Don't think i said this? Just said I dissagree with the ban (though dont think i even said that!) and that i think PETA are useless. I dont mind people disagreeing with foxhunting at all, would be a boring world if we all thought identical thoughts and had same opinins! well... wouldnt even be opinions then would it?

Though i really struggle to understand how people can be so against something they havent tried without being bias? Not just hunting.. but like.. my brother has become a vegetarian because 'its cruel and unecessary to eat animals' which is a load of rubbish and he has no idea of how the animals are raised or culled? he has based his opinion purely on other peoples opinions... and not only that but he isnt interested in learning more and he doesnt eat the right foods at all and will eventually make himself really ill. Or people who say "I really hate snakes" and yet have never seen one in the flesh let alone held one... or "i hate sprouts" and yet have never eaten them or tried them once 20 years ago when they were 4 or something.

Its not that i dissagree with people as such but more how they can come to such an opinion without any real understanding of the situation?

Get me? im rubbish at trying to put my thoughts into writing!

Been reading this thread from the beginning and I was thinking similar thoughts. There are tribal people all over the world that gladly eat live bugs, insects, creepy crawlies. Is anyone going to shout out that the tribal people are cruel?

I am a meat eater and understand where my food comes from. Chicken farms are one of the nastiest things I have ever seen. It's really awful, but I love me some chicken! It is not pretty, but those people eating the live fish do not think they are being cruel I am sure. It is their food. A certain amount of control should be in place for the treatment of animals, but is it really cruel when they are in the process of eating the fish? I guess I think it is better then actual cruelty {poking at something with stick} Personally no live fish for me, but as long as the Japanese stop whaling, my animal cruelty campaigns will end.

Do you think it is less cruel to put a live lobster in a pot of boiling water, or a crab? They have to be alive until you are ready to cook them because they go bad so quickly.

Torture means to continually cause pain, often for the enjoyment of an audience, but sometimes for justice. In the case of the fish, the fish is kept in a state that causes it pain, only for the audience to enjoy their moving meal. The fish being alive does nothing more except satisfy someone's eyes (if even that). Which is why I find it pointless, culture or not.

This is my point. They are not torturing the fish continually at all are they? Once the eat the fish it is over.

By the time it gets there, the fish goes through it still. Probably 30 minutes or 1 hour. One thing is to cause pain for a few seconds (smash brain) another is to keep the fish alive to see itself cooked alive and feel the pain for those 30 minutes.

 

[tomtomtom1230]

alsoo mbou its a little bizare that you assume every one who is against fox hunting dont know the ins and outs of the "sport". im not argueing im just saying

Don't think i said this? Just said I dissagree with the ban (though dont think i even said that!) and that i think PETA are useless. I dont mind people disagreeing with foxhunting at all, would be a boring world if we all thought identical thoughts and had same opinins! well... wouldnt even be opinions then would it?

Though i really struggle to understand how people can be so against something they havent tried without being bias? Not just hunting.. but like.. my brother has become a vegetarian because 'its cruel and unecessary to eat animals' which is a load of rubbish and he has no idea of how the animals are raised or culled? he has based his opinion purely on other peoples opinions... and not only that but he isnt interested in learning more and he doesnt eat the right foods at all and will eventually make himself really ill. Or people who say "I really hate snakes" and yet have never seen one in the flesh let alone held one... or "i hate sprouts" and yet have never eaten them or tried them once 20 years ago when they were 4 or something.

Its not that i dissagree with people as such but more how they can come to such an opinion without any real understanding of the situation?

Get me? im rubbish at trying to put my thoughts into writing!

Been reading this thread from the beginning and I was thinking similar thoughts. There are tribal people all over the world that gladly eat live bugs, insects, creepy crawlies. Is anyone going to shout out that the tribal people are cruel?

I am a meat eater and understand where my food comes from. Chicken farms are one of the nastiest things I have ever seen. It's really awful, but I love me some chicken! It is not pretty, but those people eating the live fish do not think they are being cruel I am sure. It is their food. A certain amount of control should be in place for the treatment of animals, but is it really cruel when they are in the process of eating the fish? I guess I think it is better then actual cruelty {poking at something with stick} Personally no live fish for me, but as long as the Japanese stop whaling, my animal cruelty campaigns will end.

Do you think it is less cruel to put a live lobster in a pot of boiling water, or a crab? They have to be alive until you are ready to cook them because they go bad so quickly.

Torture means to continually cause pain, often for the enjoyment of an audience, but sometimes for justice. In the case of the fish, the fish is kept in a state that causes it pain, only for the audience to enjoy their moving meal. The fish being alive does nothing more except satisfy someone's eyes (if even that). Which is why I find it pointless, culture or not.

This is my point. They are not torturing the fish continually at all are they? Once the eat the fish it is over.

I can refer you to a youtube video of people in a restaurant throwing lemon juice onto an octopus, lightly cooked but still alive and it twitches in pain as the citric acid burns it already probably severe burns. They do this for enjoyment apparently.

 

[FishBlast]

I can refer you to a youtube video of people in a restaurant throwing lemon juice onto an octopus, lightly cooked but still alive and it twitches in pain as the citric acid burns it already probably severe burns. They do this for enjoyment apparently.

Now that made me want to eat boiled octopus. Not live one of course. But with lemon!

 

[lloyd]

alsoo mbou its a little bizare that you assume every one who is against fox hunting dont know the ins and outs of the "sport". im not argueing im just saying

Don't think i said this? Just said I dissagree with the ban (though dont think i even said that!) and that i think PETA are useless. I dont mind people disagreeing with foxhunting at all, would be a boring world if we all thought identical thoughts and had same opinins! well... wouldnt even be opinions then would it?

Though i really struggle to understand how people can be so against something they havent tried without being bias? Not just hunting.. but like.. my brother has become a vegetarian because 'its cruel and unecessary to eat animals' which is a load of rubbish and he has no idea of how the animals are raised or culled? he has based his opinion purely on other peoples opinions... and not only that but he isnt interested in learning more and he doesnt eat the right foods at all and will eventually make himself really ill. Or people who say "I really hate snakes" and yet have never seen one in the flesh let alone held one... or "i hate sprouts" and yet have never eaten them or tried them once 20 years ago when they were 4 or something.

Its not that i dissagree with people as such but more how they can come to such an opinion without any real understanding of the situation?

Get me? im rubbish at trying to put my thoughts into writing!

Been reading this thread from the beginning and I was thinking similar thoughts. There are tribal people all over the world that gladly eat live bugs, insects, creepy crawlies. Is anyone going to shout out that the tribal people are cruel?

I am a meat eater and understand where my food comes from. Chicken farms are one of the nastiest things I have ever seen. It's really awful, but I love me some chicken! It is not pretty, but those people eating the live fish do not think they are being cruel I am sure. It is their food. A certain amount of control should be in place for the treatment of animals, but is it really cruel when they are in the process of eating the fish? I guess I think it is better then actual cruelty {poking at something with stick} Personally no live fish for me, but as long as the Japanese stop whaling, my animal cruelty campaigns will end.

Do you think it is less cruel to put a live lobster in a pot of boiling water, or a crab? They have to be alive until you are ready to cook them because they go bad so quickly.

Torture means to continually cause pain, often for the enjoyment of an audience, but sometimes for justice. In the case of the fish, the fish is kept in a state that causes it pain, only for the audience to enjoy their moving meal. The fish being alive does nothing more except satisfy someone's eyes (if even that). Which is why I find it pointless, culture or not.

This is my point. They are not torturing the fish continually at all are they? Once the eat the fish it is over.

i think youfind they do continually torture the fish.

in china there are competitions where cheifs must do al sorts of things like dip fish in hot oils, scrape their scales off and cut certain fins off the fish and then poor hot food onto the fish and the fish must still be alive at the end of t. alot of chinese restuarants sever live octopus and as a gimik squirt them with hot and spicys sauses just to watch them struggle.

if your goona eat meat... like we have evolved to, then kill it first.

the tribes people you speak of dont torture said insect first they just pop it in and chew.

also china is one of the biggest most developed countrys on the plannet. it is unexcusable if you ask me..... im not saying its just china though

 

[tomtomtom1230]

True, you can't narrow it down to the Chinese and Japanese, there are plenty of cultures who torture their food before consuming.

 

[MBOU]

i could see where you would be coming from if you said dont start knock foxhunting until you completly tried to learn and understand it. i still dont think there is an excuse for it though.

in terms of not knocking something till you have tried it, you openly said yourself that you wouldnt try live food from china

Well, i can agree to dissagree on the hunting topic purely because its the wrong forum section for it and the last posts on it all got locked for some reason

And fair point on me not eating the live stuff, i guess i got myself there! Im game for most theing but bleurgh... but i couldnt say for sure i wouldnt do it in the right situation... but im seriously allergic to fish and seafood and other than that.. not much i can eat thats alive? Mind you... never considered bugs.. would like to say id try it but thankfully i dont think i'll get the chance kinda grosses me out but never been hungry enough in that situation?

Tell you what though.. i would seriously love to eat fish! I used to as a kid and i remember loving it! And the sight of some cookd fish males me drool or id just love tuna mayo jacket potato... mmmmmm nom. Would possibly kill me now, allergy has got worse the longer i have worked with fish and been in contact to a point where i have to wear gloves to defrost prawns!

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Also, to whomever worried about foxes being endangered? very very NOT true in the UK, if anything, been a noticeable population boom to a point where they have started attacking babies and they attacked and killed my cat Shadow in broad daylight in the middle of our front lawn in front of us.

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Whaling is just yet another problem amongst the millions. Just a shame some of them get so much attention and cause people so much upset that they get so hooked on this one problem that they become blinded to other problems. Like people against hunting not being on protests for whales... for poor sharks with bad reputations... for poor abused cats and dogs and chickens...

I just think that to be all caught up on one case to a point that its life consuming is mad (not saying you are! just a lot of people are!) that once you start saying one thing is cruel it leads to another and another and another to apoint where life can get so wrapped up in whats wrong with this world and everyone in it that you stop seeing what right with the world.

I bet between us we could compile an epic list of cruel sports and activities!

 

[FishFanatic04]

I don't agree with torturing your food for the enjoyment. I did not watch enough of the videos to see them torturing fish for a period of time. However I still stand by some of what I have said.

Putting a lobster in a pot of boiling water can be considered overly cruel. Do you want to be boiled alive and eaten? The food chain does not lend itself kindly the those lower on it.


lol MBOU. Fight all the fights or non of them? I always disliked these kinds of debates where people are sitting around talking and not acting. Who's going to pick up the picket sign?

 

[MBOU]

in china there are competitions where cheifs must do al sorts of things like dip fish in hot oils, scrape their scales off and cut certain fins off the fish and then poor hot food onto the fish and the fish must still be alive at the end of t. alot of chinese restuarants sever live octopus and as a gimik squirt them with hot and spicys sauses just to watch them struggle.

Its sickening, i dont think anyones questioning that mate! if you look back to my original long quote that describes the method and how long that tradition has been around etc. The fact that they do it as a competition just compounds the fact that not only do they not view it as torture but the view it as a remarkable talent and are proud of it? Not just the chefs but a large majority of the country too!

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lol MBOU. Fight all the fights or non of them

Kinda right, how can you chose one species over another?

I have no idea! I have tried fighting so many fights, fighting everything and everyone, fighting for animals, fighting for all my friends, fighting to help everyone else survive and cope and i tell you what, it nearly killed me. Now I figure im sick of having to fight all the time.

Humanity is screwed and not much i can do about it! All i can do is try to help people but im not going to kill myself in the process. Im not a good person, i just want to get by. I wish all these poor animals didnt have to die and to be honest, the world would be a better place if most of the population were steralised or put to sleep would solve lots of problems! Spiralling population, the amount of animals and people killed and everything.

Im such a miser!