Liquoric Gourami identifying

[ZanaZoola14]

I think it's going to be hard to get a precise ID on these guys partially because there are probably some undescribed species being imported.

See if the seriouslyfish page helps with the ID at all --> https://www.seriouslyfish.com/species/parosphromenus-sp-sentang/

There is another possible fish it could be which is P. sp. 'blue line', another undescribed species.

Probably highly likely, however, not sure whether blue line and sentang have red on their fins, which these do.

There was like 60+ undescribed species.

Going to get in contact with the supplier to try and get further details as to their locations of capture if wild caught.

 

[Alice B]

I used to use fishbase.org but I'm not sure how current they are now

 

[Byron]

Fishbase has most species though I cannot say how up to date they are. Seriously Fish has much more information on a species, but newer species will not likely be included.

If you are solely interested in valid species, the best resource is the Eschmeyer's Catalog of Fishes maintained by the California Academy of Sciences. Every described species of fish is listed, with a complete record of scientific articles/papers relating to the taxonomy of the species.

CAS - Eschmeyer's Catalog of Fishes:

researcharchive.calacademy.org

The listing is alphabetical by species epithet since this is the name that very rarely will change, with the genus following. Then the original description, followed by all reference works affecting or confirming the species taxonomy. Finally the accepted scientific name "valid as...". As an example, the three species in Paracheirodon:

axelrodi, Cheirodon Schultz [L. P.] 1956:42, Fig. [Tropical Fish Hobbyist v. 4 (no. 4); ref. 12224] Stream near Tomar, Rio Negro, near Porto Velho, Brazil. Holotype: USNM 164483. Paratypes: USNM 164484 (1). Type catalog and locality information: Vari & Howe 1991:14 [ref. 19022]. •Valid as Paracheirodon axelrodi (Schultz 1956) -- (Fuller et al. 1999:186 [ref. 25838], Malabarba in Reis et al. 2003:152-153 [ref. 27061], Mirande 2010:510 [ref. 31006], Marshall et al. 2012:378 [ref. 31785], Ohara et al. 2017:11 [ref. 35144], DoNascimiento et al. 2017:52 [ref. 35633], Bittencourt et al. 2020:5 [ref. 37634]). Current status: Valid as Paracheirodon axelrodi (Schultz 1956). Characidae: Stethaprioninae. Distribution: Upper Orinoco and Negro River basins: Brazil, Colombia and Venezuela. Habitat: freshwater.

cardinalis, Hyphessobrycon Myers [G. S.] & Weitzman [S. H.] 1956:1 [Stanford Ichthyological Bulletin v. 7 (no. 1); ref. 12214] Stream near Tomar [Thomar], about 0°25'S, 63°55'S, Rio Negro, Amazonas, Brazil. Holotype: CAS-SU 48710. Paratypes: (10) CAS-SU 48711 (now 5), 48712 (2, c&s). •Synonym of Paracheirodon axelrodi (Schultz 1956) -- (Malabarba in Reis et al. 2003:153 [ref. 27061]). Current status: Synonym of Paracheirodon axelrodi (Schultz 1956). Characidae: Stethaprioninae. Habitat: freshwater.

innesi, Hyphessobrycon Myers [G. S.] 1936:97 [Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington v. 49; ref. 13726] Likely near Iquitos, Peruvian Amazon. Holotype (unique): USNM 102109. Type catalog: Vari & Howe 1991:27 [ref. 19022]. •Valid as Hyphessobrycon innesi Myers 1936 -- (Schreitmüller 1936:501 [ref. 27793]). •Valid as Paracheirodon innesi (Myers 1936) -- (Ortega & Vari 1986:9 [ref. 9708], Fuller et al. 1999:186 [ref. 25838], Malabarba in Reis et al. 2003:153 [ref. 27061], Marshall et al. 2012:378 [ref. 31785], Marinho 2017:2 [ref. 35491], DoNascimiento et al. 2017:52 [ref. 35633], Bittencourt et al. 2020:5 [ref. 37634], Meza-Vargas et al. 2021:19 [ref. 39298]). Current status: Valid as Paracheirodon innesi (Myers 1936). Characidae: Stethaprioninae. Distribution: South America: tributaries of Solimões River (Brazil, Colombia and Peru). Habitat: freshwater.

simulans, Hyphessobrycon Géry [J.] 1963:15, Figs. 1-3 [Tropical Fish Hobbyist v. 11 (no. 8) Apr.; ref. 4855] Rio Purus, Manaus, Brazil [corrected to River Jufaris, which empties into the Rio Negro just above Rio Branco]. Holotype: USNM 197510 [ex Géry coll. M.332.1]. Paratypes: Géry coll. M.332.2 (1), M.332.3 (1). Type catalog: Weber 1998:8 [ref. 23532] with holotype as MHNG 2171.19, Vari & Howe 1991:27 [ref. 19022] with locality information. •Valid as Paracheirodon simulans (Géry 1963) -- (Malabarba & Weitzman 1999:413 [ref. 24417], Fuller et al. 1999:186 [ref. 25838], Malabarba in Reis et al. 2003:153 [ref. 27061], Marshall et al. 2012:378 [ref. 31785], DoNascimiento et al. 2017:52 [ref. 35633], Bittencourt et al. 2020:5 [ref. 37634]). Current status: Valid as Paracheirodon simulans (Géry 1963). Characidae: Stethaprioninae. Distribution: Upper Negro and Orinoco River basins: Brazil, Colombia and Venezuela. Habitat: freshwater.

 

[ZanaZoola14]

Fishbase has most species though I cannot say how up to date they are. Seriously Fish has much more information on a species, but newer species will not likely be included.

If you are solely interested in valid species, the best resource is the Eschmeyer's Catalog of Fishes maintained by the California Academy of Sciences. Every described species of fish is listed, with a complete record of scientific articles/papers relating to the taxonomy of the species.

CAS - Eschmeyer's Catalog of Fishes:

researcharchive.calacademy.org

The listing is alphabetical by species epithet since this is the name that very rarely will change, with the genus following. Then the original description, followed by all reference works affecting or confirming the species taxonomy. Finally the accepted scientific name "valid as...". As an example, the three species in Paracheirodon:

axelrodi, Cheirodon Schultz [L. P.] 1956:42, Fig. [Tropical Fish Hobbyist v. 4 (no. 4); ref. 12224] Stream near Tomar, Rio Negro, near Porto Velho, Brazil. Holotype: USNM 164483. Paratypes: USNM 164484 (1). Type catalog and locality information: Vari & Howe 1991:14 [ref. 19022]. •Valid as Paracheirodon axelrodi (Schultz 1956) -- (Fuller et al. 1999:186 [ref. 25838], Malabarba in Reis et al. 2003:152-153 [ref. 27061], Mirande 2010:510 [ref. 31006], Marshall et al. 2012:378 [ref. 31785], Ohara et al. 2017:11 [ref. 35144], DoNascimiento et al. 2017:52 [ref. 35633], Bittencourt et al. 2020:5 [ref. 37634]). Current status: Valid as Paracheirodon axelrodi (Schultz 1956). Characidae: Stethaprioninae. Distribution: Upper Orinoco and Negro River basins: Brazil, Colombia and Venezuela. Habitat: freshwater.

cardinalis, Hyphessobrycon Myers [G. S.] & Weitzman [S. H.] 1956:1 [Stanford Ichthyological Bulletin v. 7 (no. 1); ref. 12214] Stream near Tomar [Thomar], about 0°25'S, 63°55'S, Rio Negro, Amazonas, Brazil. Holotype: CAS-SU 48710. Paratypes: (10) CAS-SU 48711 (now 5), 48712 (2, c&s). •Synonym of Paracheirodon axelrodi (Schultz 1956) -- (Malabarba in Reis et al. 2003:153 [ref. 27061]). Current status: Synonym of Paracheirodon axelrodi (Schultz 1956). Characidae: Stethaprioninae. Habitat: freshwater.

innesi, Hyphessobrycon Myers [G. S.] 1936:97 [Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington v. 49; ref. 13726] Likely near Iquitos, Peruvian Amazon. Holotype (unique): USNM 102109. Type catalog: Vari & Howe 1991:27 [ref. 19022]. •Valid as Hyphessobrycon innesi Myers 1936 -- (Schreitmüller 1936:501 [ref. 27793]). •Valid as Paracheirodon innesi (Myers 1936) -- (Ortega & Vari 1986:9 [ref. 9708], Fuller et al. 1999:186 [ref. 25838], Malabarba in Reis et al. 2003:153 [ref. 27061], Marshall et al. 2012:378 [ref. 31785], Marinho 2017:2 [ref. 35491], DoNascimiento et al. 2017:52 [ref. 35633], Bittencourt et al. 2020:5 [ref. 37634], Meza-Vargas et al. 2021:19 [ref. 39298]). Current status: Valid as Paracheirodon innesi (Myers 1936). Characidae: Stethaprioninae. Distribution: South America: tributaries of Solimões River (Brazil, Colombia and Peru). Habitat: freshwater.

simulans, Hyphessobrycon Géry [J.] 1963:15, Figs. 1-3 [Tropical Fish Hobbyist v. 11 (no. 8) Apr.; ref. 4855] Rio Purus, Manaus, Brazil [corrected to River Jufaris, which empties into the Rio Negro just above Rio Branco]. Holotype: USNM 197510 [ex Géry coll. M.332.1]. Paratypes: Géry coll. M.332.2 (1), M.332.3 (1). Type catalog: Weber 1998:8 [ref. 23532] with holotype as MHNG 2171.19, Vari & Howe 1991:27 [ref. 19022] with locality information. •Valid as Paracheirodon simulans (Géry 1963) -- (Malabarba & Weitzman 1999:413 [ref. 24417], Fuller et al. 1999:186 [ref. 25838], Malabarba in Reis et al. 2003:153 [ref. 27061], Marshall et al. 2012:378 [ref. 31785], DoNascimiento et al. 2017:52 [ref. 35633], Bittencourt et al. 2020:5 [ref. 37634]). Current status: Valid as Paracheirodon simulans (Géry 1963). Characidae: Stethaprioninae. Distribution: Upper Negro and Orinoco River basins: Brazil, Colombia and Venezuela. Habitat: freshwater.

Great, thanks

 

[GaryE]

One reason killiekeepers tend to like licorice gouramis (and wine Bettas too) is the mysterious evolutionary complexity they stick in front of us. If you don't have the location the fish came from, your chances of ever identifying it sink very low. I've kept a few of these fish, and from your photos, I'm stumped.

Digging through the Parasphromenus project website could help.

I was looking at a wholesaler list last week, contemplating them, and there were a lot listed. The old trick of seeing what was being sold and narrowing down from there isn't working anymore! There are too many possibilities.

 

[ZanaZoola14]

One reason killiekeepers tend to like licorice gouramis (and wine Bettas too) is the mysterious evolutionary complexity they stick in front of us. If you don't have the location the fish came from, your chances of ever identifying it sink very low. I've kept a few of these fish, and from your photos, I'm stumped.

Digging through the Parasphromenus project website could help.

I was looking at a wholesaler list last week, contemplating them, and there were a lot listed. The old trick of seeing what was being sold and narrowing down from there isn't working anymore! There are too many possibilities.

Oh, I know. Best hope I had was the indo list, which pulled through. These were the only ones on the list. Going to try and get that location, but no guarantee as more of a simple supplier then specialist.

Have been, some seem similar but just getting some other opinions on them first.

Yeah, lists are huge!! (love it for that, and also gets annoying for the same reason. They are weekly reading for me.)