Large Tanks And Co2

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OK, there is a lack of information on LARGE tanks and CO2 Diffusing

Im still looking for all the bits to do a reactor cheap to fit 16mm Pipes and its taking time.

Im curious what are you all running for tanks with 400l + for your CO2 diffusing???
 
ive heard of alot of people uusing fire extuingishers, or pressurised co2, i dont know much about this but maybe arron may be able to help you out
 
You'd have to use pressurized CO2, theres a pinned topic on how to make your own using a fire extinguisher. Have alook.
 
Its just the diffusing part. there is such a lack of either reactors or diffusers out on the market for tanks over 240l
Interesting no one really answered your question. You could split the line and run it to two reactors. I do this in my 90g just to save on tank refills. on aquarium plants.com I saw a $100 reactor that is suppose to be very good...
 
How many filters are you using and what is your filter output method? Pictures please.

When you put in sinking food can you see how it flows round the tank. Does it go all the way round or just drop to the substrate.

The methods are the same for as for small but flow becomes increasingly vital as you go larger because the CO2 has to travel further.

So your options are still the same as others: intank diffusion with the flow pushing the bubbles, Inline diffuser and bubbles coming out from your filter or inline reactor to dissolve the CO2.

Details of the flow are the most important to get right and then the choice of diffusion is yours from then on ;)

AC
 
Its just the diffusing part. there is such a lack of either reactors or diffusers out on the market for tanks over 240l
Interesting no one really answered your question. You could split the line and run it to two reactors. I do this in my 90g just to save on tank refills. on aquarium plants.com I saw a $100 reactor that is suppose to be very good...

Thanks its interesting that everyone just asumed i was going to put a dissuser in the tank unattached. maybe it was a vague question.....

As to the $100 I can't see one that expensive on there. ???

How many filters are you using and what is your filter output method? Pictures please.

When you put in sinking food can you see how it flows round the tank. Does it go all the way round or just drop to the substrate.

The methods are the same for as for small but flow becomes increasingly vital as you go larger because the CO2 has to travel further.

So your options are still the same as others: intank diffusion with the flow pushing the bubbles, Inline diffuser and bubbles coming out from your filter or inline reactor to dissolve the CO2.

Details of the flow are the most important to get right and then the choice of diffusion is yours from then on ;)

AC

Im using at the moment an EX1200 and an XP3 and soon to be 2 EX1200's. As to mixing i have always maintained when i feed them that the food makes the whole tank to allow any slow fish that are not in a barging mood get some. at the moment i have the outlets causing a slight whirl pool action with one hitting the glass harder to force water down. I guess time will tell with Algae if its really correct.


an inline reactor would be a better option, as the flow from your filter will push the CO2 around.

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or you can couple it up to a powerhead, Andy has used this technique so i am sure he will give you some advice on it.

This is my issue there are the glass diffusers that sit in the tank and i know i would need 2 Large ones at least but no one rates the Aquarium size they can take. One said 200l once and that would mean i need 3 in the tank and would look ugly/cluttered.

Then i have looked at external reactors and i do like the aquamagic one but its only built for 12mm hosing and im not wanting to restrict flow more than i need to.

I have not really thought about a power head as im trying to remove items in the tankbut i guess if pointing directly down it would only need to breach the surface a little. but how noisy are power heads?

I have looked in so many corners and the only 16mm diffuser i can find is 90 quid..... Its a little over priced.......
 
when a diffuser says it is suitable for 200l, that is basically referring to the size of the ceramic plate. Larger the plate the more CO2 can be dissolved so it is more efficient for a larger tank.
 
I never assumed you were going to put an internal one in ;) I am open to many methods whether I like them or not. Shame on the others. lol

Although many will say you need 2 or more diffusers I would suggest they are people with poor flow/circulation. You sound like you have a decent amount but 2 x1200 = 2400 which is only 6x the volume of a 400l tank.

However you have options still.

I wouldn't suggest a reactor because that would reduce your turnover more. I would say either a Rhinox 5000 which is what Jimboo uses in his Vision 450 journal and position it where your faster filter is hitting the glass hard which will disperse the bubbles better. Its then about maximising the flow to make sure that the bubbles get all around the tank.

Great thing with CO2 and bubbles is you can instantly see the flow from where the bubbles go. lol.

The other option is the Boyu inline which I am using internally. It is very versatile in that it can be used several ways:
option 1 : fitted inline on the filter outlet hose
option 2 : fitted in the tank as the filter outlet
option 3 : fitted to a powerhead internally

Option 1 : With this unit you need good flow out from the filter as the filters output is what is pushing the bubbles out!!! best to fit the unit as close to the filter's powerhead as possible to maximise the amount of hose the bubbles travel along and therfore increase the time they are in contact with the water. then it is important that the bubbles that do come out (some will obviously be 100% diffused within the hose but a lot will survive to enter the tank) are blasted out.

I tried this method with a glass Lily pipe and it didn't work with a single 6 x lph filter (EX700 on a 125ltr). The wide angle of the Lily pipe meant the bubbles gotto the surface very quickly. Your filters are more powerful than mine though. Zigt used this diffuser in his mountainscape V2 setup but he used an ADA jetpipe as his outlet.

Option 2 : Although this is pictured as an option on the box I didn't try it. I have 1 filter and therefore want max flow horizontally. The unit can be used sideways but as I haven't tried this way I have no idea how the flow would be or how well the bubbles would move.

Option 3 : This is the method I am using. This is not detailed on the box and I am using it the wrong way around according to the instructions. They suggest in the pictures that the above are the 2 options you have whereas Instead of using the diffuser as an outlet I have actually connected via some hose to my Maxijet MP400 inlet. I am of course using the supplied strainer so that the shrimp don't get sucked in. lol Works a treat for me but then I only have a 125Ltr tall. This could be used with a more powerful powerhead and at whatever depth you choose. I have mine setup in a C formation rather than upright and therefore in theory I could set the whole thing down near the substrate just as a filter inlet can be and inch or 2 from the bottom. The problem is the powerhead outlet being so close to the bottom means the output will move the substrate (I have sand.) the other beauty of using powerheads is that they are much cheaper than filters, have no flow restriction and they can easily be hidden if you have areas of nice tall growth.

In summary for £5 inc shipping the Boyu is worth a try for anyone and a standard powerhead (UGF type) is cheap. Try all the options with these to assess which works best.

The option is the Rhinox 5000 route which should work fine. Jimbbo uses it and we know how lush his scapes are.

The reason there is such a lack of guidelines on tank volumes is because in the rare cases that someone does suggest a size they are nearly always wrong. they tend to advise too big a diffuser for the size of tank. i.e. I have a Rhinox 2000 in my cupboard which I can get to work fine and get the desired ppm with no problems BUT I didn't need to get it. I could've gone with what they suggest is a Nano one and got the same effect for cheaper and then the pressure would've used the whole disc instead of half (this is only an aesthetic thing. It doesn't matter if it only uses 1 pore of the disc if it gets your ppm right)

The final thing in a larger tank is that I would get 2 or 3 drop checker and put them around the tank so you can see that the CO2 is spreading around. Chameleons as I was saying on UKaps are now available at £3.50 each including shipping off ebay. (These are sold without the 'solution' that is no use to us anyway)

AC
 
Problem with the boyu is its 12mm hosing.

Im also trying to work out if the aquamedic could still provide full flow as its rated for 500g tanks.... how is confusing me....

I guess im getting to the point of having to try a Glass internal

Thanks SC your comments are usefull.
 
Have a good look at Jimboos vision 450 journal. Always best to compare with tanks of similar size and gauge successes / failures that way.

The Boyu has hosetails not sure what the diameter is inside the hosetails wether it is taper or not but the plastic can be cut / filed to enlarge the internal diameters. I think the ceramic part is much wider than the internals of the hose tails.

I shall take some piccies. lol (I have 2, 1 for spare and 1 in the tank)

AC
 
Probs no help but can help anyone with a similar query. lol

pic of the hosetail. largest 'step' (closest unit) is 16mm so 16mm hoses will fit the outside, smallest step (end of hosetail) is 12mm :
hosetail.jpg


Internal pipes at each end are 10mm in width all the way to the ceramic 'tube' which is significantly larger:
insidediff.jpg


Therefore 16mm hoses will fit perfectly. To get rid of the restriction you would need to cut the hoses at the largest step leaving only the 16mm step. This step is long enough for a jubilee clip.

Then the hard bit would to be to increase the internal diameter of this part of the tube at both ends from 10mm to 14mm. Filing and a lot of it!!!! With the tube being 10mm all the way through this means the wall of this step must be 3mm thick.

A bit of work but could be a DIYer for someone. lol

Thankfully my filter is 12mm as it is only an EX700. ;)

AC
 
SC looking at the Inside diameter of an EX1200 tap its 10mm...... this would mean its restricted here anyway so should not have an issue being downsized it would however still benifit from being opened out i would expect

I can't find your post anymore on this unit on how it actually diffuses the CO2 in to the water. Can you post som info in it.

Thanks
 
Post No 10 up above. lol

If inline the bubbles enter the filter outflow and are bashed up the hose and out of your filter outlet. This method is good if you have the output power. No good for my smaller filter and Lily pipe combo. this is why Zig changed from Lily to jetpipe as he was also using a fairly small filter.

If within the tank it goes on the end of the hose where your normal outlet would go. It is pictured on the box pointing downward which is fine if you want a plain glass area underneath where the substrate was ;) . There is a sucker so you could fit it sideways. There is a strainer cup to go on the end which will also help bash the bubbles into different directions

Then there is my 'ignore the instructions way which has meant I squeezed 1 inch of some 10mm hose into my MP400 powerhead's input and then connected the other end to the boyu. Again with the strainer on the other end so instead of water being pushed through the diffuser it is being pulled through. In my eyes this is the same??

There is the picture from the box on this ebay advert if you scroll down

http://cgi.ebay.ie/CO2-Carbon-Dioxide-Diff...1742.m153.l1262

AC
 

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