L191'S

[Big_eyes]

How big do they get? On the few bits of info I can manage to find on them through google, I get very different answers.

Anyone know a definate answer?

 

[JenCliBee]

10-14 inches... perhaps a little bigger, maybe a little smaller, grumpy little things aswell lol

 

[Nick16]

10-14 inches... perhaps a little bigger, maybe a little smaller, grumpy little things aswell lol

you havent answered the guys question. he asked does anyone have more exact answer. 10-14 inches is vaugue enough and yet you put could be bigger could be smaller!, congrats on the googling mate

this species of panaque grows to about 10 inches mate. It is quite unlikely you will find this very species but some LFS's do import some random things. It is more likely you will come accross the L27.

 

[Big_eyes]

Funnily enough the google answers came up with 9-14 inch. I've also read that they are fine with peaceful fish too?

This isn't the exact fish I'm looking at but an identical specimen

(credit and apologies to the photographer)

 

[JenCliBee]

10-14 inches... perhaps a little bigger, maybe a little smaller, grumpy little things aswell lol

you haven't answered the guys question. he asked does anyone have more exact answer. 10-14 inches is vague enough and yet you put could be bigger could be smaller!, congrats on the googling mate

this species of panaque grows to about 10 inches mate. It is quite unlikely you will find this very species but some LFS's do import some random things. It is more likely you will come across the L27.

You really are something ain't ya lol, there is no definitive size with pretty much any fish, the answer i gave is accurate to what either ive kept or what friends and other plec keepers i know have kept.

I could say 16 inches but what would be the point if only 1 out 10000 ever get that size, the potential size is large the realistic size is a possible 12 inches or so either way.

I'm afraid you really haven't got a clue, i don't google for size lol, unlike you just getting your 10 inch estimate off PC lol.

I love your reckoning of it gets to 10 inches lol, when infact it could get smaller, it could get potentially bigger.

Oh btw the size you got of PC is a SL size so add a possible 2 inch at least to that for tail and there you go, my answer makes abit more sense than yours lol.

 

[Nick16]

have you ever kept panaques?
i have had three now and all have grown rapidly to about 8 inches and then slowed whilst still grwoing slightly. They love cucumber and apple though!

whats PC?

 

[JenCliBee]

have you ever kept panaques?
i have had three now and all have grown rapidly to about 8 inches and then slowed whilst still grwoing slightly. They love cucumber and apple though!

whats PC?

Varying species my friend from L27 from different collection points, L90, 169, 104, 239's do you want me to continue lol.

In fact if your giving the size for a L27 the potential size is more like 18 inches and not 10.

And wow on the 3 youve kept, very experienced keeper i see lol

 

[Wills]

Just to support fishyjake - he is quite right that the size varies a lot max size is 18 inches but it takes many many years for them to get there but most will never make it. The amount of water changes greatly affects this fish as most research said they are easily stunted. And again between all the panaques the growth rates will vary.

The way I view these fish is that they will be on a constant grow out tank for years. But most growth rates are extremely variable.

 

[Nick16]

what exactly does potential size mean? is that in relation to limiting factors? you seem to reel these words off without much explantion. and i didnt claim to be experianced but personal experiance with the fish is better than none at all, we can all agree on that.

 

[JenCliBee]

Funnily enough the google answers came up with 9-14 inch. I've also read that they are fine with peaceful fish too?

This isn't the exact fish I'm looking at but an identical specimen

(credit and apologies to the photographer)

Google will m8, there is no full answer only a potential and that is quite large, they are quite peaceful but can get very territorial with other plecs, my 239's were right little ** with each other.

 

[JenCliBee]

what exactly does potential size mean? is that in relation to limiting factors? you seem to reel these words off without much explantion. and i didnt claim to be experianced but personal experiance with the fish is better than none at all, we can all agree on that.

Potential means exactly what it says, potential for the fish depends on the particular fish. As ive said some will get to much larger than whatever the next persons has hence the no definitive answer and the vagueness of either my reply or goggles reply.

Not sure what you mean .... is that in relation to limiting factors? .... fish of any sort shouldn't be purchased if they can not be accommodated correctly, there would be o limiting factors involved.

Commons would be a good example to why it can be so vague, some have reached 24 inches plus, other struggle to reach 15 inches, how would you try and describe that in the sense of your reasoning?

 

[always4lora]

I've got a royal panaque , nice fish mines a decent size.

 

[Nick16]

but you havent explained potential?

why will some grow 6 inches+ bigger than others? mine were all kept in a large tank, well fed, well maintained and they all grew to about 9-10 inches. (adult size)

i dont understand why/how others will grow 50% larger again? its not like mine were limited in food, growth, space, effected by tank mates etc.

commons are very different, you entering dangerous waters there. Many many subspecies make up the 'common pleco' species, hence the large variation in sizes/colour/makings/behaviour and often they are just sold under one bracket. It would be like using an overarching statement for all the panaque species.
we are just talking about one species here, the L191.

 

[JenCliBee]

but you havent explained potential?

why will some grow 6 inches+ bigger than others? mine were all kept in a large tank, well fed, well maintained and they all grew to about 9-10 inches. (adult size)

i dont understand why/how others will grow 50% larger again? its not like mine were limited in food, growth, space, effected by tank mates etc.

commons are very different, you entering dangerous waters there. Many many subspecies make up the 'common pleco' species, hence the large variation in sizes/colour/makings/behaviour and often they are just sold under one bracket. It would be like using an overarching statement for all the panaque species.
we are just talking about one species here, the L191.

That is probably one of the most unexplained questions in history lol, why don't all human grow the same size?, why don't all same species dogs grow the same size?. They just don't and that's the only true answer that can be given as any type of explanation. Genetics is probably the main reason, well it would work for any living creature in that case. Just becasue my sister is 5.2 doesnt mean that my other sister HAS to get the same size or theres is a problem becasue my other sister is 5.10.

I didn't say there wasn't different kind of common plecs lol, but the 'run of the mill' commons that are usually sold in shops are pretty much from the same genus apart from gibbi's and L001 gold spots which are pretty much distinct from one another regarding pattern and so forth.

The comparison was for two of the same fish not different species/sub species. For instance to make it clearer, to L001 gold spots put in identical suitable tanks, same water stats, same decor, same foods and i guarantee they will not reach the same size ...either at the same time nor over the full lifetime.

Potential is given to a fish that MAY get to this size, a fish that HAS got to this size reported and will POTENTIALLY get to this size again with another person keeping it. Doesn't mean that becasue one fish has gotten to 16 inches the next fish will but giving the potential size is always what should be given just incase. That to me makes more sense.

I could go on and on about how a fish size can differ... and by asking why does this fish get to this but but same fish didn't isn't logical nor can really be given an answer to.

Do you think every fish in the wild is the same size at the same age?, if your answer is no then why ask this question here?, it just doesn't make sense.

Just to clarify, royals like most other plecs will live in excess of 20 years, how can you say your fish is fully grown at 8- 10 inches when it will continue to grow given the right conditions probably all it's life. Just becasue it got to 8-10 inches and seem to have stop growing but infact just slowed down considerably, doesn't mean that in the next 10 years it wouldn't have grown another 4 inches reaching the POTENTIAL size which ive tried to explain.

 

[always4lora]

250mm (9.8") according to Planet catfish , probs a bit smaller.

The larger one which i have is similar gets to 340mm (13.4") which is a 190