Koi with bacterial infection

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Hello! I am afraid our koi may have bacterial infections. I have been researching and it sounds like the most common signs of bacterial infection in koi are white film on the fins and red soars and ulcers on the body and face. Our koi are showing both of these. We purchased 24 koi, 12 from each of two suppliers. One set of koi is in one tote, the other set were in another tote. I have been doing daily 50% water changes to keep the ammonia down and each setup has an AquaClear 50 filter running on it. One set of koi is perfectly fine, we haven’t lost any and they look to be in perfect health and active. The other set of koi though, 2 showed signs of red, inflamed sores on their sides, and we have lost 4 from that tote. When we pull out the dead ones, we have been putting them in plastic cups full of water while we carry them down to the woods to bury them, and white film has kinda floated off their fins. Speaking of their fins, their fins don’t look too good either. A bit ”sad” and sorta damaged looking. Does this sound like a bacterial infection and what do I need to treat it? My parents and I are on our way to our LFS right now, so I need help before we get there so I know what to buy!!!


Tank size: 50 Gallon Tote
tank age: 2 weeks (we didn’t get the chance to cycle it, i know it is awful)
pH: 7.5
ammonia: The ammonia is staying around 2 to 4 when I check it in the mornings, so I do daily water changes to bring it down
nitrite: 0
nitrate: 0
kH: ?
gH: 5
tank temp: 72 (room temp)


Fish Symptoms (include full description including lesion, color, location, fish behavior): Red sores, looks like the skin is being eaten away a bit, on the body, white film on their fins, their bodies feel slimy when I pick up the dead ones, and they get real lethargic the night before they die, then in the morning I find them sunk down to the bottom of the tote

Volume and Frequency of water changes: 50% water changes every day

Chemical Additives or Media in your tank: Prime and salt, Filter Media is a sponge, “ammonia remover” and activated carbon or whatever, it is what came with the filters

Tank inhabitants: Was 11x 4 to 7 inch butterfly koi, now it’s 7

Recent additions to your tank (living or decoration): N/A

Exposure to chemicals: Just the Prime

Digital photo (include if possible): I can get my mom to send me some from her phone
 
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photos. Notice the red on the Kohaku’s fins (the orange and white one)
 

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Septicemia, from a viral infection, would be my guess.....
@Colin_T , have a look, please

 
Septicemia, from a viral infection, would be my guess.....
@Colin_T , have a look, please

Interesting! So from what I understood in that link, the bacterial infection weakens the fish, allowing the viral infection to set in?
 
Interesting! So from what I understood in that link, the bacterial infection weakens the fish, allowing the viral infection to set in?
That's how it sounds to me...I have very little experience with fish disease, though...hopefully @Colin_T will chime in...
 
pH: 7.5
ammonia: The ammonia is staying around 2 to 4 when I check it in the mornings, so I do daily water changes to bring it down
The fish are dying from ammonia poisoning. You need to change most if not all the water every day when there is ammonia in it.
Make sure any new water is free of chlorine/ chloramine before it's added to the tank.

Having the pH above 7.0 makes the ammonia more toxic too.

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The white film on the body and fins is excess mucous produced by the fish because they are stressed from the ammonia.

The red in the fins and tail is blood caused by poor water quality (ammonia).

The fish are skinny and malnourished.

They don't need medication. They do need clean water and food.
 
That's an awfully large amount of fish to put into an uncycled tank at once ? you need to do massive water changes every day
 
I have been doing water changes every day, as much as I am able. I have taken into consideration ammonia poisoning, but it makes no sense that it is only effecting the koi in the one tote? There are now almost twice as many koi in the second tote, the exact same filter and the same water change schedule. Why are they not being effected too if it is the ammonia?


That's an awfully large amount of fish to put into an uncycled tank at once ? you need to do massive water changes every day
I realize that, they are being quarantined and going into the pond over the next few days, we had to get the pond cycled and the koi quarantined. I have been doing 50% water changes every day, x2 50 gallon totes.
 

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