Is this fin rot?

[Essjay]

To go back a few posts, Seachem Prime does not remove ammonia or nitrite or nitrate. It temporarily turns them into a non toxic form.

From their website

Detoxifies ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate

After 24 to 36 hours, the effect wears off and ammonia & nitrite become toxic again.

 

[mbsqw1d]

To go back a few posts, Seachem Prime does not remove ammonia or nitrite or nitrate. It temporarily turns them into a non toxic form.

From their website


After 24 to 36 hours, the effect wears off and ammonia & nitrite become toxic again.

Oops, still a decent product though

 

[Nemo2182]

To go back a few posts, Seachem Prime does not remove ammonia or nitrite or nitrate. It temporarily turns them into a non toxic form.

From their website


After 24 to 36 hours, the effect wears off and ammonia & nitrite become toxic again.

But would the filter media, natural bateria taken over by that point?

 

[AdoraBelle Dearheart]

I might just give them a couple of days off food. See if his belly goes down. It was more his tail. Problem is I have 5 boys. Two are very dominant and chase the others. I read that not feeding boys to much gives them reason to stop fighting, as they go searching for food to eat

I fall on the side of the debate that it's possible to keep a male-only guppy tank, I have done it during breeding and letting the young males mature, and have some males in a community tank who are fine as well. But there are some conditions you have to meet for it to work;

Provide a lot of dense plant cover. The tank in the photo looks a little open and empty. Some swimming space is good, but there also needs to be areas with a lot of plants for them to explore, to break lines of sight, and for a bullied one to hide in and get some respite. You also have to watch, if you have a couple who are more aggressive, they might need to be rehomed, sadly, or go into a tank with some females. Which isn't ideal when you don't want fry...

So add a lot of plants. Floating plants and some fast growing stem ones like hornwort are good. Even with all that though, you can and will get the occasional male who is highly driven and becomes, for a lack of a better word, a dick. I've had a couple that were like that in my male grow out tank, and taking them to the store was the only solution.

 

[Essjay]

But would the filter media, natural bateria taken over by that point?

Prime detoxifies ammonia and nitrite for a short period. But the bacteria can still use these detoxified forms, and they still show up in the tests. Prime is useful during cycling with fish. You still need to do water changes if either ammonia or nitrite are zero, but if you use Prime to treat the new water at these water changes, it will keep the fish safe until the next water change.

Once a tank is cycled, you don't need to use Prime. I don't use it because it is a chemical soup and Seachem won't say what's in it. I use API Tap Water Conditioner which contains only thiosuphate to remove chlorine and EDTA to bind metals. This product is also very concentrated using 1 drop per 3.8 litres for chlorine or 3 drops per 3.8 litres is there is chloramine in the water.

Fluval Bio Enhancer (Cycle) is bottled bacteria. Once the tank is cycled - that is, once ammonia and nitrite remain at zero - you don't need to use it.

 

[mbsqw1d]

Prime detoxifies ammonia and nitrite for a short period. But the bacteria can still use these detoxified forms, and they still show up in the tests. Prime is useful during cycling with fish. You still need to do water changes if either ammonia or nitrite are zero, but if you use Prime to treat the new water at these water changes, it will keep the fish safe until the next water change.

Once a tank is cycled, you don't need to use Prime. I don't use it because it is a chemical soup and Seachem won't say what's in it. I use API Tap Water Conditioner which contains only thiosuphate to remove chlorine and EDTA to bind metals. This product is also very concentrated using 1 drop per 3.8 litres for chlorine or 3 drops per 3.8 litres is there is chloramine in the water.

Fluval Bio Enhancer (Cycle) is bottled bacteria. Once the tank is cycled - that is, once ammonia and nitrite remain at zero - you don't need to use it.

5.5.3.2. Seachem Prime and Safe

Prime and Safe ONLY remove chlorine. They do NOT detoxify ANYTHING else, even temporarily.

aquariumscience.org

Might have to stop promoting the stuff although ive never had any issues using it

 

[Nemo2182]

I fall on the side of the debate that it's possible to keep a male-only guppy tank, I have done it during breeding and letting the young males mature, and have some males in a community tank who are fine as well. But there are some conditions you have to meet for it to work;

Provide a lot of dense plant cover. The tank in the photo looks a little open and empty. Some swimming space is good, but there also needs to be areas with a lot of plants for them to explore, to break lines of sight, and for a bullied one to hide in and get some respite. You also have to watch, if you have a couple who are more aggressive, they might need to be rehomed, sadly, or go into a tank with some females. Which isn't ideal when you don't want fry...

So add a lot of plants. Floating plants and some fast growing stem ones like hornwort are good. Even with all that though, you can and will get the occasional male who is highly driven and becomes, for a lack of a better word, a dick. I've had a couple that were like that in my male grow out tank, and taking them to the store was the only solution.

Ive got a fair bit for size...ive coveres every angle. I wanted live plants but with swimming space and also to open up the ground space for corys. There are no less than 4 cave/hidy holes

 

[AdoraBelle Dearheart]

I really like the tank and table, it looks really good.

You might have to consider swapping out the more aggressive males then. Some can be pretty relentless, and it's rough on the ones they pick on.

 

[Nemo2182]

I really like the tank and table, it looks really good.

You might have to consider swapping out the more aggressive males then. Some can be pretty relentless, and it's rough on the ones they pick on.

. Total rescape from gravel. My other half wasnt happy i spent anothet £100 with first 3 months...whoops

 

[Nemo2182]

So not good news im afraid....put the little guy in quarantine tank yesterday morn and added 3 teaspoons (as guided on API packaging) of salt and was waiting for some Melafix roday to treat the tail. Unfortunately I came down this morning to this....He was bloated, but i was not expecting him to actually burst!!! I cant see anything that represents a worm hanging out but Im guessing I should be putting him out of his misery now? Im so sad as this was the first guppy in the tank.
Can anyone explain what has happened here? Am I flogging a dead horse thinking he could be ok? To me it looks like a hernia or rupture of some description, but if its parasite related, I guess I need to treat the other guppies? And if so, what with? I put some more salt in main tank yesterday, but am very cautious about chemicals because of invertebrates and corys...

Please Help

 

[mbsqw1d]

Was this previously diagnosed as dropsy, i havent read the full thread sorry?

 

[Nemo2182]

Was this previously diagnosed as dropsy, i havent read the full thread sorry?

I didnt get one...he just looked bloated with a ragged tail. Happened quick, like 48hrs

 

[mbsqw1d]

I didnt get one...he just looked bloated with a ragged tail. Happened quick, like 48hrs

Shame mate, sorry to see/hear. Seems like dropsy for which theres not usually a good ending, certainly at this stage. Id wait for others but i think euthanasia is likely the best thing you can do

 

[Nemo2182]

Shame mate, sorry to see/hear. Seems like dropsy for which theres not usually a good ending, certainly at this stage. Id wait for others but i think euthanasia is likely the best thing you can do

Any ideas what causes it?

 

[mbsqw1d]

Any ideas what causes it?

Dropsy is more a symptom of something else really, where the body fills with fluid because of some kind of organ failure (liver, kidney..)
The cause for the organ failure could be any number of things.

Edit: have had a look back and there wasn't any sign of dropsy to be fair, so this is quite sudden. Might not be dropsy, could be a cyst or abscess, but either way I can't see the fish surviving with that protrusion sorry