Is global warming human created?

[connorlindeman]

The science seems very clear to me. We're a huge part of climate change.
So if it isn't science we're talking, then is this not a political thread about ideology, of the sort that divides us all and polarizes discussion?

but what if the science that holds your view together turned out to be twisted so that humanity would make decisions in a certain direction?

 

[Back in the fold]

If Yellowstone does blow up like people think it will act as a giant jet engine and hurl the earth at Uranus .

 

[Deleted member 149562]

Do you have a pointer to the data? These are huge eruptions, magnitudes larger than the largest nuclear weapon, but the mass and inertia of the earth is likely magnitudes greater than the eruptions. I don't doubt that we can measure the effect, I'm just curious as to how large the effect (axis/position) is.

There is some scientific evidence that changes can be made by certain planetary events, for example, the Japanese earthquake of 2011 shortened the day...so for volcanic eruptions to change things too is not entirely impossible, whether those changes are self corrected by the planet or not (like an elastic band pinging back) its still unknown

How the Japan Earthquake Shortened Days on Earth

The 8.9-magnitude earthquake in Japan has shortened Earth's day by 1.8 microseconds, NASA says. Here's how it happened.

www.space.com

 

[jaylach]

The science seems very clear to me. We're a huge part of climate change.
So if it isn't science we're talking, then is this not a political thread about ideology, of the sort that divides us all and polarizes discussion?

Not at all as global warming is a proven cycle of this planet. Yes, we have accelerated the process but we are not the cause. Personally I see nothing that has brought in politics except for your post. Since I don't allow politics on my forums I will say nothing more in that direction...

 

[outofwater]

"the science is settled" until it isn't.

I'm old enough to remember that by now all the glaciers should've melted, that the ozone layer should be completely depleted, that the acid rain should've skinned us all alive by now, that oil should've run out 20 years ago and that we should've had a mini ice age about the same time ago as well.

Should we be better stewards of this little oasis of life of ours? Absolutely.

Should I listen to clowns who fly private jets everywhere they go, buy beachfront property all around the world, and have houses, cars and boats that consume more energy in a year that i probably consume in 10, telling me to drive an electric car and eat bugs "to save the planet"

HELL NO.

 

[GaryE]

You have to look at science, and then at science journalism. The latter has the sky falling on a regular basis, while the former is trying to understand the sky. I'm no climate scientist, but friends of mine who are very credible are, and nothing I've seen on fish forum debates can ever come close to the data they talk about and the detail they work with. Now, maybe they are mind controlled members of an elite propaganda force, but probably not. They'd be better paid for that.

They talk too much and would get kicked out of any conspiracy.

Should I listen to clowns who fly private jets everywhere they go, buy beachfront property all around the world, and have houses, cars and boats that consume more energy in a year that i probably consume in 10, telling me to drive an electric car and eat bugs "to save the planet"

HELL NO.

The problem is that where I live, the elite who live as you say are telling me to buy a truck, heat with oil and deny that climate change is seriously human influenced. My region's economy lives from the oil industry. I'll look at the science and ignore the celebrities.

 

[GaryE]

but what if the science that holds your view together turned out to be twisted so that humanity would make decisions in a certain direction?

If that happens, then we'll be stuck with new energy technology and maybe some economic policies we don't all agree with. I don't think it would be especially apocalyptic. You likely see a spiritual solution. I don't, and see a practical, earthbound problem.
Science has an anarchistic edge that doesn't work well with the idea of it being intentionally twisted, unless you believe that to be a diabolical supernatural twisting. Science is rarely settled, as every solution presents more problems and the ball keeps rolling. We may get to the point where we get "why", but 'how' takes many lifetimes to be solved, if ever.
Natural cycles abound, and over geological time, this planet has changed radically without humans. There is nothing in that statement that contradicts the idea we are accelerating or even prompting processes that are changing our climate.

Meanwhile, I wish I could see what the world looked like before the industrial revolution, although I am a child of the industrial world. Biodiversity, even in the limited way we get to see it in aquariums, is very fascinating, and let's do what we can to stop destroying it. If we can.

 

[Oblio]

I am sure we that we affect climate, to the same magnitude that a volcano eruption alters the earths orbit.

Then there is the problem that in general, lowering the average temperature is more disastrous than raising it.

 

[AmyKieran]

I could be wrong but I remember reading that one volcano is more likely to release more greenhouse gases than humans have ever

 

[Back in the fold]

@outofwater The clowns who fly private jets and buy beachfront homes are the multi-national corporate capitalists who own everything and everybody and have all of us useful idiots thinking that everything that's wrong is our fault. Wake up and smell the capitalist coffee.

 

[Oblio]

I could be wrong but I remember reading that one volcano is more likely to release more greenhouse gases than humans have ever

I've heard that also, and suspect that it is true, but have not checked the numbers. The curious thing is that they are so small and weak that they almost immeasurably move the earth in position or rotational parameters when they erupt.

 

[AmyKieran]

I've heard that also, and suspect that it is true, but have not checked the numbers. The curious thing is that they are so small and weak that they almost immeasurably move the earth in position or rotational parameters when they erupt.

Well yes small I’m comparison to the earth but the sheer force these things produce. And earthquakes too produce ridiculous amounts of force

 

[outofwater]

@outofwater The clowns who fly private jets and buy beachfront homes are the multi-national corporate capitalists who own everything and everybody and have all of us useful idiots thinking that everything that's wrong is our fault. Wake up and smell the capitalist coffee.

I don't believe anything that comes out of the mouths of billionaires telling me to eat less meat and live in a pod, the prostitutes
in the "press" who amplify their message, or their puppets that I allegedly "elect" to "represent me" who then entrench themselves in power for decades and come out millionaires themselves while I have to balance my budget to ensure I don't get kicked out of my apartment for not paying the rent. So, to answer your point: I'm well aware of who my enemies are.

 

[Myrkk]

Science is based on the best recent understanding of things. It then tests hypotheses i.e. talks, thoughts etc to see if they are provable. So thoughts and discussions like this are an important part of science. It's also important to realise that science does not hold all the answers. A simple example, anyone who worked in a veterinary surgery could tell you that dogs felt pain, yet it wasn't until science caught up to that thought and proved that dogs felt pain that it became procedure for analgesia to be routinely offered to ***** spays / dog castrates (hence animals hated coming to the vets). We seem to have fallen into the trap of "if scientists haven't said it, it can't possibly be true".

To get back to the post, I too believe that global warming is a natural phenomena, I think we may be accelerating it, but it would happen with our without us. We are merely fleas on this planet and as she has proven before we are easily removed. We need to let go of the idea that we have control and just enjoy the ride (that doesn't mean we don't try and lessen our impact. Just my humble tuppence worth

 

[StevenF]

Funny thing about the geological studies on global warming is that they tend to precede ice ages.

Scientist theorized lack of CO2 caused the ice age. the data proved it wrong.
Scientist also theorized orbital variation cause the ice age. Earths orbit has 12,000 year summer followed by a 12,000 year winter. The ice ages lated 100,000 years.

The latest theory says that orbital variation started cooling. Colder oceans pulled CO2 out of the air and the amount of ice increased reflecting more sun light back into space. With extensive ice sheets the orbital changes could not turn off the ice age due to ice reflecting a lot of sun light back into space.

however once CO2 levels fell below 190PPM it becomes very hard for most plants to grow. forests died off and atmospheric dust increased Over thousands of years this turned the ice to brown color that doesn't reflect much sun light. Then after thousand or years of dust when earths orbit shifted again the ice age ended the ice melted.

This third theory Matches all Geological evidence found. In fact it you plot orbits dynamic with global temperature and CO2 levels atmospheric dust level data (from the south pole) it fits. you can see ice age starting with orbital winer, CO2 dropping for about 70,000 years, then when CO2 drops below 190ppm, dust storms start and then after 10,000 years of dust , whe the next orbital summer Ends the ice age.