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Import ban- discuss!

If the fish is classified as critically endangered, especially on the CITES list, its sale should be banned. The fish business is just that - a business. It has no built in scruples, and the ethical characters are outnumbered and outgunned by the ruthless ones out to make a buck on anything. There are too many people who know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
 
I have a feeling this will go downhill but hopefully there's some sort of good that comes out of this?
 
As usual, anything the government hopes to regulate "for the greater good" will end up being a damn disaster
A classic example of this is the Australian government that made Gambusia a noxious species. They said they would eradicate the fish. That was 20 years ago and to date they have no idea how they are going to deal with them. If they hadn't made them a noxious species, then collectors like me could still be harvesting thousands of them from the creeks every week to sell to shops as live feeder fish. Instead, we're not allowed to touch them and the government isn't touching them, and they are breeding like flies and decimating the native fish stocks.

As for Bangaii cardinalfish (and all cardinalfish), they are so easy to breed and rear up, I'm amazed they are even wild caught. They literally breed every month. The males incubate the eggs and young in a buccal pouch, and the babies can eat newly hatched brineshrimp as soon as they start swimming around. They are as easy to breed as livebearers. Having said that, considering the planet is warming up and the oceans are getting hotter, the CO2 levels are increasing at a rapid rate now, and the phytoplankton is about to die, what difference does it make when some wild caught fish are brought into captivity. We're all screwed anyway.
 
I think if you look behind the hype, you will see that any CITES listed fish is illegal to import commercially. This is just a popular one that may be heading on to the international list.

It's like banning the trade in ivory to protect elephants, going after the superstitious use of rhino horns, etc. There are already a lot of fish we can't trade in. Importers regularly get offered extra money from idiot hobbyists who want critically endangered species , and people trafficking in wildlife get arrested on a regular basis. It seems for some people, forbidden fruit is a hot commodity.

I just brought fish back from a collecting trip, and had all my papers in order and my research done. The papers were hard, but the research didn't take long. I was aware of what species were CITES and where I might encounter them, and I proceeded accordingly. My interests aren't commercial though, and if I were a businessman who knew that by depleting an endangered fish stock I could make a lot of extra money?...

If aquarium collecting is depleting the stocks of this species, and it can be bred in captivity, then it can be bred and chipped as other species are. It will cost an arm and a leg to buy, but that's how the market works when it respects hard reality.
 
A classic example of this is the Australian government that made Gambusia a noxious species. They said they would eradicate the fish. That was 20 years ago and to date they have no idea how they are going to deal with them. If they hadn't made them a noxious species, then collectors like me could still be harvesting thousands of them from the creeks every week to sell to shops as live feeder fish. Instead, we're not allowed to touch them and the government isn't touching them, and they are breeding like flies and decimating the native fish stocks.

As for Bangaii cardinalfish (and all cardinalfish), they are so easy to breed and rear up, I'm amazed they are even wild caught. They literally breed every month. The males incubate the eggs and young in a buccal pouch, and the babies can eat newly hatched brineshrimp as soon as they start swimming around. They are as easy to breed as livebearers. Having said that, considering the planet is warming up and the oceans are getting hotter, the CO2 levels are increasing at a rapid rate now, and the phytoplankton is about to die, what difference does it make when some wild caught fish are brought into captivity. We're all screwed anyway.
The only thing I know governments do well is tax the snot out of people, and make our lives as miserable as possible. Everything else they get their hands on, they always screw it up, and then of course spend even more money to "fix it".
 
The only thing I know governments do well is tax the snot out of people, and make our lives as miserable as possible. Everything else they get their hands on, they always screw it up, and then of course spend even more money to "fix it".
Bars are for discussing ideology like that. We have a rule about discussing politics here, since it keeps the fighting down. Focus on fish...
 
Bars are for discussing ideology like that. We have a rule about discussing politics here, since it keeps the fighting down. Focus on fish...
Well, that's my opinion. If they're getting in the business of regulating a hobby, they'll screw things up, as they do with everything else they get their grubby hands on.

Mods feel free to remove if this is "too political" 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
Friendly reminder: Let's remember to keep things non-political. I'm not saying I totally disagree with the opinions being expressed, just that it doesn't matter because it isn't why we're here. And remember that mods have busy lives too. Bored mods are happy mods. :)
 
And by the way, I know this is an important, pertinent topic, and it's difficult to discuss things like CITES regulations without mentioning politics. We get it. Just remember to be nice, keep it civil, and keep it fish-focused. We really do appreciate it.
 
its sale should be banned
I think this would cause more issues than it fixes. As someone who has bred this species in a home aquarium (as @Colin_T pointed out, this is not all that hard, and thus no real feather in my cap), I fear this would shut down a lot of legitimate work people are doing to help alleviate the import demand. I'm not typically for heavy handed approaches, as I believe incentives can work well. I do think we could get out ahead of this issue by adding a tariff to all imports that are wild caught (yes, I realize this raises a tracking issue, but this is typically born on the shoulders of the importer - business, broker, or individual; and I fully recogonize some wild caught individulas might slip through the cracks), particularly for species that have been shown to be able to be bred in captivity. It would likely up the appeal of captive bred stocks, incentivize in-country breeders, and reduce demand for wild caught specimens except perhaps to add new bloodlines to captive bred stock*. That said, in this case, given the precarious nature of the wild population (likely a small metapopulation), I agree more direct action might be required vis-à-vis imports to have an impact of the magnitude necessary in the time frame required.

*To be clear, this is not a political statement - it is an economic one! 😁
 
I agree with the ban. I've been in saltwater wholesale dealers and etc and the losses in marine fish from catch to hobbyist are horrendous. I won't shop at Petco because they sell marine fish. I haven't purchased a marine fish since 2012 and then I got tank bred clownfish
 

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