Im Already Bored , And Stripping The Tank Down

[oswoldy]

Good luck mate, have a look at the forum in the link above might be of some help.

Mike

 

[Infidel_Uk]

thats brilliant thanks a lot fella

 

[oswoldy]

thats brilliant thanks a lot fella

keep us updated on the progress

Mike

 

[Infidel_Uk]

it will be a while yet , i need to sell what i have 1st , until that happens ill just carry on with the fish ....

 

[england]

Mate what ever you get you will need to care for them, what about when they go for number 1's and 2's....you will need to

remove,feed,water and care for disease's.....Fish are very easy to care for, you need to stock lightly and have good filteration,this way

waterchanges and cleaning is not a chor, for example my channa ornatipinnis, last time i changed there water and that was 10% was

back in april, they actually prefer not having waterchanges,as long as water is perfect as in nitrate/nitrates and ammonia bussiness

alls good, alot of channa breeder keepers change water once maybe twice a year.....

 

[nmonks]

As others have mentioned, no animal produced no waste. Whatever you keep will need to be "cleaned up behind". With fish, it's actually very simply, because biological filtration deals with most of the waste management, so all that's left is 20-25% weekly water changes and an occasional siphon around the substrate. I can't think of any other pet animal that is easy to keep clean as fish!

Fish also are a lot easier to leave on their own during holidays. For short breaks up to a week they don't need any food at all, and many species will go fine for two weeks without food. If you skip water changes for a couple of weeks, it's unlikely to do any harm (except for those species that are nitrate-intolerant, such as dwarf cichlids).

Reptiles are substantially more work. They are much, much harder to feed properly, and they also need adequate UV-B lighting systems for proper bone growth. When they get sick, they are more difficult to treat, and instead of using off-the-shelf medications, you will often need to consult a vet, adding to the time and expense involved.

If you honestly think reptiles are easier than fish, you clearly haven't done your research! There are some reptiles than make excellent pets, including the bearded dragons mentioned above. But others are very difficult to keep, including chameleons, which have a dismal survival record in captivity.

If you want a really low-maintenance "pet", you might think about carnivorous plants. I'm being serious. I keep a variety of these, and they're great fun in their way, as well as being pretty and of course excellent flycatchers! An indoor vivarium set-up will allow you to keep a lot of the tropical pitcher-plants that need high levels of humidity, while the temperate zone ones, like Venus flytraps, do fine on windowsills and even outdoors.

Cheers, Neale

 

[Infidel_Uk]

ive been thinking , and i need a better filter , the one ive been using is half the size it should be , so im buying a new filter the same as mine to double the turn over , 8 times an hour is about right ?

also , im going to take out the 2 remaining nerites i have and show a little more dedication, but im still looking onto the reptiles .

my minds been all over the place tonight lol

 

[Geoff1991]

Depends, we have a Burmese python and i say fish are less work. And less dangerous.

Also, theyre cheaper to feed

I have to say though, its extremely worth it for such an interesting pet. If youre bored of fish and want reptiles, make sure you get rid of your fish before you start to neglect them and make youre youre willing to put the time and money into reptiles.

I hope you havent got an idea that you dont have to clean in terrariums/vivariums because you do and to be honest its not any harder or easier than fish, its just work. You get on with it then after sit back and enjoy the animal.

Edit: Just to give you an idea

For a burmese python you need about 70% humidity and about 80*f at one and and at the other end 90*f for basking. You also have to change its water daily (we do anyway) and clean faeces and all sorts (this usually involves going in there while the snake isnt) Trust me, their poo cant just be gravel vacced out and water cant be syphoned as its floor level. And doing this with the humidity and heat isnt fun.

Also, its recommended to take the snake out when feeding to avoid feeding responses when you go near.

Not saying thats the same for all reptiles, just to give you an idea that you still have to put some work in.

 

[cheesy feet]

Ahh yes, reptile keeping is even more addictive.

Also, its recommended to take the snake out when feeding to avoid feeding responses when you go near.

Not saying thats the same for all reptiles, just to give you an idea that you still have to put some work in.

There's a thread about this on a reptile forum I go on, it was discussed among big snake keepers - burms, retic, afrocks etc that they should be fed inside the vivarium.
The reason being is that once you have a 15-20ft snake out, and its been fed, it's still in feeding mode...And you're next

 

[Geoff1991]

Ahh yes, reptile keeping is even more addictive.

Also, its recommended to take the snake out when feeding to avoid feeding responses when you go near.

Not saying thats the same for all reptiles, just to give you an idea that you still have to put some work in.

There's a thread about this on a reptile forum I go on, it was discussed among big snake keepers - burms, retic, afrocks etc that they should be fed inside the vivarium.
The reason being is that once you have a 15-20ft snake out, and its been fed, it's still in feeding mode...And you're next

Yeah ive seen it. What we do is what a lot of big snake keepers do. We put her in a red box we have, and when shes in there she knows its food time. Once shes eaten, no messing around the whole box goes into vivarium and she can exit the box in her own time. We then remove the box when shes out. This has gotten harder over the years as id say shes about 14ft now and could easily weigh 8-10 stone

Never had any trouble doing it this way. And it also means she doesnt associate you coming upto the glass door as food time.

We also had a reticulated python before, which we fed in its enclosure and it was a nightmare, she used to come right up to the door in feeding mode whenever you went near. And then what? You need her to be out and handled while you clean...

 

[cheesy feet]

Ahh yes, reptile keeping is even more addictive.

Also, its recommended to take the snake out when feeding to avoid feeding responses when you go near.

Not saying thats the same for all reptiles, just to give you an idea that you still have to put some work in.

There's a thread about this on a reptile forum I go on, it was discussed among big snake keepers - burms, retic, afrocks etc that they should be fed inside the vivarium.
The reason being is that once you have a 15-20ft snake out, and its been fed, it's still in feeding mode...And you're next

Yeah ive seen it. What we do is what a lot of big snake keepers do. We put her in a red box we have, and when shes in there she knows its food time. Once shes eaten, no messing around the whole box goes into vivarium and she can exit the box in her own time. We then remove the box when shes out. This has gotten harder over the years as id say shes about 14ft now and could easily weigh 8-10 stone

Never had any trouble doing it this way. And it also means she doesnt associate you coming upto the glass door as food time.

We also had a reticulated python before, which we fed in its enclosure and it was a nightmare, she used to come right up to the door in feeding mode whenever you went near. And then what? You need her to be out and handled while you clean...

I see, sounds like a good method.I've never kept any real big snakes, so haven't looked into it too much.

 

[Geoff1991]

Ahh yes, reptile keeping is even more addictive.

Also, its recommended to take the snake out when feeding to avoid feeding responses when you go near.

Not saying thats the same for all reptiles, just to give you an idea that you still have to put some work in.

There's a thread about this on a reptile forum I go on, it was discussed among big snake keepers - burms, retic, afrocks etc that they should be fed inside the vivarium.
The reason being is that once you have a 15-20ft snake out, and its been fed, it's still in feeding mode...And you're next

Yeah ive seen it. What we do is what a lot of big snake keepers do. We put her in a red box we have, and when shes in there she knows its food time. Once shes eaten, no messing around the whole box goes into vivarium and she can exit the box in her own time. We then remove the box when shes out. This has gotten harder over the years as id say shes about 14ft now and could easily weigh 8-10 stone

Never had any trouble doing it this way. And it also means she doesnt associate you coming upto the glass door as food time.

We also had a reticulated python before, which we fed in its enclosure and it was a nightmare, she used to come right up to the door in feeding mode whenever you went near. And then what? You need her to be out and handled while you clean...

I see, sounds like a good method.I've never kept any real big snakes, so haven't looked into it too much.

If you have room you should, theyre pretty cool pets. Theres something about handling a snake that could kill you that makes you enjoy it so much more

Technically its my dads, but i help out with the work and funding it...

 

[DiscusKeeper403]

I agree with Nelly, no pet is going to be effortless, and part of pet keeping is doing maintenance. If you can't keep up with something simple like fish, maybe pet keeping isn't for you at this time? Don't want to put you down, but you can't just throw something in a tank and leave it...

 

[cheesy feet]

If you have room you should, theyre pretty cool pets. Theres something about handling a snake that could kill you that makes you enjoy it so much more

Technically its my dads, but i help out with the work and funding it...

I would if I had the room, as you say
Recently did work experience at a reptile shop and got a 9ft boa out every day or so, handled that pretty easily, but nevertheless you could feel its strength.
If I did (which I will in the future, no question ) get one I think it would have to be a labyrinth albino.

 

[Geoff1991]

Yeah our snake is as i said is probly about 10 stone... And when you handle it you can just feel its power...

Ohh, ive seen a stunning labyrinth albino in the local zoo, its a nice bright yellow.

Of course, id get a burmese python as i like my dads. Could even get an albino...