Touchy! I never accused you, I accused the Origianl Poster. Methinks you do protest too much, n'est ce pas?
And if the first post of the thread is spam then I'm glad it got spammed because it made me go this direction with Super Bac.
Good for you. Most people on this forum don't like spam advert posts.
And nitrosomonas is present in Bio-Spira. Read a little closer. What isn't present in Bio-Spira is nitrobacter and they should probably put it in there because it put a hurtin' on my nitrite. It was real fun to watch. I have to point out that in my research I didn't find any literature on "nitrospira" that wasn't cited from Dr. Hovanic (Marineland chief scientist) or his team. This screams of just trying to patent something.
Apologies if I put the wrong bacteria. Fact is though, peer reviewed scientific research shows that Superbac does not contain the correct bacteria strains that are found in cycled tanks.
If it was purely just to patent, and both the bacteria found in Superbac really are important, the research of Dr Hovanic would not have passed the peer review phase of publication. It did clear the peer review and therefore it can be considered to be more accurate than some sales pitch on a website.
Also, Bio-Spira is pathetic in an ammonia/nitrite spike situation. Totally worthless. Super Bac does that too.
Of course it does. No doubt it makes me a cup of tea in the morning and washes the car. I assume you have some controlled experiments to back this up?
Based on my conclusion from reading the research and using the bacteria myself I can only conclude that Marineland's scientists really want you to believe nitrobacter doesn't work so you'll buy their patented product or they are just flat-out wrong, which they should admit their error and call it a day. No research paper in the world will tell me that the Super Bac stuff didn't do what I saw it do.
Any chance that there is a research paper that
does tell you and the rest of us that Super Bac does what it says? See, the way science works is this:
You make a claim, you back it up with evidence.
It does not work how you have just applied above where you are making the claim and demanding science prove it wrong.
Fianlly, forgive me if I am wrong, but you used the
saltwater version, and I was commenting on the
freshwater version. Have you used the FW one as well, did you keep detailed notes and compare it to a control tank? Do you have peer reviewed research to back up your claims about how Biospira doesn't work as well as Superbac (despite there being peer reviewed published articles pointing out Super Bac in the FW form contains the wrong bacteria)?
If so I would love for you to post it here so I can look into this. Until then I will believe Dr Hovanic as he does have a lot of credibility to him with his work.
However, your last statemenst shows that no matter how much scientific evidence is provided you will not believe it, so I daresay you will not be presenting the things I have requested above.
You know, the ferocity with which you attack Biospira makes me wonder... You don't perchance happen to work for anyone or anything to do with Superbac do you?
Edit--
Just done a quick search, and it is not just Dr Hovanic that has done work on nitrospira and its use in oxidising nitrite as the below papers will attest:
Altmann, Dorte, Peter Stief, Rudolf Amann, Dirk de Beer, and Andreas Schramm. 2003. "
In situ distribution and activity of nitrifying bacteria in freshwater sediment."
Environmental Microbiology, vol. 5, no. 9. Society for Applied Microbiology. (798-803).
Daims, Holger, Jeppe L. Nielsen, Per H. Nielsen, Karl-Heinz Schleifer, and Michael Wagner. 2001. "
In situ characterization of Nitrospira-like nitrite-oxidizing bacteria active in wastwater treatment plants."
App Environ Microbiol, vol. 67, no. 11. American Society for Microbiology. (5273-5284)
Kim DJ, Lee DI, Keller J.Effect of temperature and free ammonia on nitrification and nitrite accumulation in landfill leachate and analysis of its nitrifying bacterial community by FISH. Bioresource technology. 2005 May 28.
And
this website reveals that the original discovery of the importance of
Nitrospira was not made by Dr Hovanic:
Only recently, cultivation-independent methods revealed that novel, yet uncultured NOB are far more important than Nitrobacter in wastewater treatment plants (Burrell et al., 1998; Juretschko et al., 1998; Schramm et al., 1998). These bacteria belong to the genus Nitrospira, which is part of the bacterial phylum Nitrospirae (Ehrich et al., 1995), and are not related to Nitrobacter.
Now then, perhaps you would like to show me how the nitrobacter is so useful when more than just one or two people have done research into nitrospira?
