I Might Only Be A Newby, But...

fall-apart-dave

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... Is it me or is there far too many forums and sub forums, and too much moderation on here? I asked a question in the amphibians forum, got no responses. Asked the same question in tropic chat, got BIG responses and lots of help! Then my post got moved, now no one reads it. Noticed a LOT of topics being moved around but, really, do you need to move so many? I'm a member on a lot of forums for one thing and another and this is one of the more strict ones, kinda makes newbies feel about as welcome as a fart in a space suit.

Not slagging the forum of the mods off, not at all. You've all been a big help. But it just strikes me that maybe it could relax a little without it falling into chaos?
 
I think the mods here are very relaxed compared with some forums

Arguments are allowed here that on my forum would have been closed at the start
 
Really? Wow... Most of my haunts are petrol-head type forums and fights break out regularly... Ok so some of the forums I am on have a "Freedom of speech" policy in that anything except direct threats goes... But some are less relaxed but this is the pretty strict by what I've seen...

Well, I'll wind my neck in, in that case...
 
The reason we move threads is to make information easier to find when using the search function, if you want information on amphibians then you only need to search the relevant forum rather than search the whole site, also more experienced hobbiests tend to specialise in one area of fish keeping and to a point begin to ignor other aspects, i know that i never even read topics in the corydoras livebearer or betta forums and rarely outside of oddballs and other catfish, so if you want correct information from those with experience in the field it is better if your post is in the correct forum.
 
I appreaciate that, but my example was my amphibian question. No responses on the relevant forum, loads of responses in tropical chat. I appreciate the need for specialist forums, but chatting about what trpoical amphibians to have when I kick my fish out of my aquarium in tropic chat I would have thought was appropriate?
 
Hmm... Apparantly jokes aren't allowed on the forum either... Even ones that are made clear to be jokes within someone's thread that are even fish-related jokes... (Feeding snails: "Try pleco wafers, or cucumber. Or if he's real hungry throw in a Big Mac" - deleted. Creepy critters in tanks: "They are really Vampire Mites that lay eggs on you in the night... Only joking! :)" - Deleted) to name a few.

Surely that can't have been offensive??
 
Like CFC said, if another person wanted to know the same thing a few weeks later, they wouldn't search for it in Tropical Chit chat... Many amphibians aren't even tropical...

Also a LOT more people read tropical chit chat than they do amphibians, but the people who really know a lot about amphibians don't visit tropical chit chat as much... so you may not be getting totally correct info. If that makes sense.

For the jokes i guess one of the mods felt that it could lead the thread off topic... But there's plenty of jokes on this forum!
See?!
 
Ah, thats a thread thats a joke to start with. But making a crack about feeding hungry snails Big Macs, when you also gave good advice too? Come on! Bit harsh!

Well, please dont think I'm slagging off the forum. I'm not. I'm just really struggling here, floundering if you will (please don't delete my post because I cracked a joke I promise it wont lead off topic). Its a bigass forum and very busy, so I accept housekeeping must be done. But it just occured to me that, from a newbies perspective looking in from outside, its a little daunting with your posts being deleted and moved all the time. Just my 2 pence on the subject! :)
 
Don't worry Dave, I recently had a post deleted that I put a lot of thought and effort in to, not to mention a half hours typing, wording and rewording, so it read perfectly. We are all hurt when are efforts are deemed to be not worth it.

I try to sulk off site for a week, rather then go for the confrontation, then come back when I have gotten over it.
 
I'm just outspoken I guess...

I was thinking about this, and on our Bajaclub.co.uk (where I am a mod, it's a forum for offroad Beetles, buggies, sand rails, custom and chopped classics, well, anything really! We're a right mishmash of enthusiasts with one thing in ommon: Doing what the "in" crowd aint!) we have a general section where all users hang out, then when a post pops up we all reply, once the thread is dead it gets archived in the relevant sub forum. You can still post in the relevant sub forums should you wish, but we refrain from deleting posts (unless they are offensive or bang out of order, we DON'T delete jokey posts) and moving them until the thread is dead. Then it's leaned out and archived. Save a lot of grief, everyone's posts get noticed and you don't end up p!ssing people off by being overzealous in your moderating. Maybe something like that would work well here? Just speaking from experience and a moderators POV (or are accronyms now banned? In which case I meant point of view).
 
I dont know maybe the mod was just having a bad day or something.

Also.. the forum you mod has a LOT less members, therefore a lot less topics to move and organize.
 
Different forums have different needs. I'm the mod on a couple of very different forums also. One of them is very much a FFA anything goes while the other is a very strict technical forum where pretty much every peice of personality gets stripped from posts (boring but that is what its there for).

A lot of this forum is used a source of information so it make a lot of sense to have as many sub forums as there is. As has been mentioned it means that if you post a question or are looking for information you are in the right place to be talking to people that are likely to be able to give you the correct answers.

I personally think the mods do a pretty good job, its a fine line to walk between keeping everything on topic and removing the personality from posts and on a forum of this size its not suprising that soem things most would consider ok get removed while others that most wopuld delete get missed.
 
While the volume of responses in Reptiles Etc might be lower, you are much more likely to get accurate and relevant information. Once you develop your own knowledge base about a subject, you'll quickly find that many of the responses in Chit Chat are either half-baked or flat out wrong. There are a few good posters that frequent those areas, but I wouldn't say that it's the majority.

When you're dealing with specialty animals like turtles, you're much more likely to make a serious mistake when you rely on advice given by people who really don't know what they're talking about. I hesitate to make an example, as I'm not particularly familiar with turtles, but here goes: you may think that any fish kept with your turtles are mostly in danger of being eaten, but you should also be concerned about ammonia poisoning. Turtles are generally known to be both messy eaters and to have relatively inefficient digestive systems, both of which can quickly overwhelm a filtration system. It may be possible to mix your turtles with other types of animals, but you may need to bump up your filtration first. I point this out because I haven't seen anyone else breathe a word about it in either of your turtle threads.


On a slightly different note, I also have a suspicion that you've been using stronger language than is appreciated by certain of the mods. William (the admin) has taken this stance in the past:
On the news I think you will find that before the watershed they don't allow any swearing on it, we don't have a watershed time as we have members all over the world as such swearing is prohibited on the forum.
I'm not exactly sure which words are considered out-of-bounds by the watershed restriction as I'm in the States, but you may want to keep that in mind.

You're right that this is a pretty heavily moderated forum, but I think that the level of moderation is proportionate to the intended purpose of being a family-friendly source of information about tropical fish. Unfortunately, you're also right that this has left you a bit out in the cold as you want information about a fairly uncommon aquatic reptile and are accustomed to a more casual type of forum. But for the beginning aquarist who is also a beginning internet user (and we see a lot in both categories), TFF works really well. I remember being mildly scarred as a double-newb when I visited another large fish forum. :lol: I wanted to read a post about tetras, not to see a bunch of vulgar gifs and catfights. It also made me cringe to see someone replying to a child's inquiry with a multicolored flashing f-bomb in his signature. :S

There are a ton of fishkeeping sites that are FFA, but as far as I can tell, this is the only generalist site that is officially family-friendly. I think that's the reason that TFF shows up first in most searches, even though it may not have the highest membership on the web.
 
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The lack of lanuage and more strict moderation is exactly the reason I chose this forum.
I have a small child that is into fish also. She gets on here with me to read things. She is learning to read for herself so I can't filter things out so easily. I like that it is safe to let her sit down and practice her reading while learning about the fish that she keeps.

She will be 5 next month. She wants to sign up so she can post for herself. This is the only place I would even consider letting her do that. I like that the people here try to look out for children and try to keep it clean. The reason I have not yet let her do it is because of some of the testy attitudes. I don't think she could take it pointed at her. She is extremely sensitive, and she would end up crying too much. There are a few on here that don't take things like peoples feelings into consideration when posting. Some people just can't deal with things being put in a harsh way... she is one of them.
I do think that knowing she is so young most would be much more kind though. :good:
 
The reason we move threads is to make information easier to find when using the search function, if you want information on amphibians then you only need to search the relevant forum rather than search the whole site, also more experienced hobbiests tend to specialise in one area of fish keeping and to a point begin to ignor other aspects, i know that i never even read topics in the corydoras livebearer or betta forums and rarely outside of oddballs and other catfish, so if you want correct information from those with experience in the field it is better if your post is in the correct forum.
Hold on CFC you were on the betta forum earlier this week :shifty:
 

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