I keep forgetting to thaw frozen foods, but...LIVE FOOD thoughts

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I've made some excellent frozen foods, using soldier fly larvae, shrimp and veggie ingredients. My fish are either insectivores or detritivores, so I don't have to worry about veggie food directly.

This all well and good, but my freezer is in the house, and my fishroom is in a detached garage 30 metres away. When I go out on these cold mornings, I keep forgetting to snap off a hunk of my carefully prepared food. Once I'm in the fishroom, the idea of going back through sub zero temps is unappealing. I never bother with a coat or jacket for such a short distance, but...

I hatch out baby brine shrimp 5 times per week - along with energy it's the main cost for the room. They work out to 30 cents a day, for 30 tanks. I also have multiple white/grindal worm cultures in boxes along the floor, and have been culturing wingless fruit flies for my hatchet fish. As the cultures have been working, I've been feeding all 50 tanks with live most days - rotating the foods. About every fourth or fifth day I remember to thaw some frozen, and I do have black soldier fly pellets, ground up fly larvae and flake for specific uses. My corys get some pellets. Surface oriented fry get some floating dried food, and so on.

My disorganization is paying off. I have some Epiplatys huberi killies I caught in 2023 as adults, who were starting to look old. On a straight live food diet, they've regained lost weight and are starting to look like the young they've produced again. I can identify the individuals up close, but from a distance, they look like the younger ones in shape and colour. Prepared foods weren't doing it..

Wingless fruit flies have drawbacks. They live for a long time on meadows of floating plants, and the fish hunt them slowly as they get hungry. I don't get mad rushes to the food when I feed those tanks. Rather, I see a visible brightening of the fish, and a hyper alert body language as they begin to look for careless flies. That's good. But some flies always crawl up the glass and out - an issue in a house, but not in a garage with pitcher plants. Yesterday, I restarted cultures and since I re-use containers, I had to deal with the odour of old culture media. It's nasty, not for in the house. Outside in Canada, it freezes fast and the smell goes away.

Once every one to two weeks, I take 20 minutes and make new fly cultures. I take 5 minutes and make a microworm culture, which I haven't needed since the corys haven't been breeding. The whiteworms get fed kitten food (dried but sprayed with water) every second or third day when I harvest. Brine shrimp's regular, at minutes a day.

Live food is something to explore. It can cost to start, but once it's rolling, it's cheap and VERY effective.
 
I culture a batch of vinegar eels every now and then but I really need to get off my butt and do more. BBS is kind of a pain.
I miss the days when I could walk into the lfs and buy live tubifex. Never did figure out why they're nowhere to be found nowadays.
 
I've made some excellent frozen foods, using soldier fly larvae, shrimp and veggie ingredients. My fish are either insectivores or detritivores, so I don't have to worry about veggie food directly.

This all well and good, but my freezer is in the house, and my fishroom is in a detached garage 30 metres away. When I go out on these cold mornings, I keep forgetting to snap off a hunk of my carefully prepared food. Once I'm in the fishroom, the idea of going back through sub zero temps is unappealing. I never bother with a coat or jacket for such a short distance, but...

I hatch out baby brine shrimp 5 times per week - along with energy it's the main cost for the room. They work out to 30 cents a day, for 30 tanks. I also have multiple white/grindal worm cultures in boxes along the floor, and have been culturing wingless fruit flies for my hatchet fish. As the cultures have been working, I've been feeding all 50 tanks with live most days - rotating the foods. About every fourth or fifth day I remember to thaw some frozen, and I do have black soldier fly pellets, ground up fly larvae and flake for specific uses. My corys get some pellets. Surface oriented fry get some floating dried food, and so on.

My disorganization is paying off. I have some Epiplatys huberi killies I caught in 2023 as adults, who were starting to look old. On a straight live food diet, they've regained lost weight and are starting to look like the young they've produced again. I can identify the individuals up close, but from a distance, they look like the younger ones in shape and colour. Prepared foods weren't doing it..

Wingless fruit flies have drawbacks. They live for a long time on meadows of floating plants, and the fish hunt them slowly as they get hungry. I don't get mad rushes to the food when I feed those tanks. Rather, I see a visible brightening of the fish, and a hyper alert body language as they begin to look for careless flies. That's good. But some flies always crawl up the glass and out - an issue in a house, but not in a garage with pitcher plants. Yesterday, I restarted cultures and since I re-use containers, I had to deal with the odour of old culture media. It's nasty, not for in the house. Outside in Canada, it freezes fast and the smell goes away.

Once every one to two weeks, I take 20 minutes and make new fly cultures. I take 5 minutes and make a microworm culture, which I haven't needed since the corys haven't been breeding. The whiteworms get fed kitten food (dried but sprayed with water) every second or third day when I harvest. Brine shrimp's regular, at minutes a day.

Live food is something to explore. It can cost to start, but once it's rolling, it's cheap and VERY effective.
When feeding flightless fruit flies to dart frogs I always found it helpful to place.the fruit flies in the freezer for just a minute or two just to cool them down. It puts them in a state of suspended animation. They are still alive but not moving. After I put them in a petri dish or feeding dish for the frogs the flies would warm up and start moving which stimulated the predatory reaction in the frogs.
I wonder if this technique could help you feed more efficiently with less escaped flies?
 
It probably would help to cool them down, but the freezer is far away. I actually don't mind a few escapes because the fish aren't in the house. If they were, I'd be using the freezer for certain.

I allow spiders up high in the corners, and in summer, flying things get in through the fans when they're off. They become live food - every morning I see a lot of flying bugs, but by early afternoon, they are gone. Water attracts them and they become killie treats, if the spiders don't pick them off. Mosquitoes get in and I get the odd bite, but maybe one or two a summer in there.

In summer, I have decent outdoor Daphnia pulex cultures, and mosquito larvae if I allow it (I usually do, a bit, if I am there all the time to keep any hatches from bothering neighbours).

I always feel very bloody minded when I talk of live food, but one feeding of fruit flies onto the duckweed or frogbit feeds the fish for most of the day - slowly and steadily. Maybe 5% escape, and good on them if they find food.

Having a fishroom outside the house pays off. It's a cold walk over in winter, but the advantages outweigh the negatives. At least they do for culturing bugs... if I win a lottery, there's a fish greenhouse coming!
 
We have two buildings. Most of my pleco breeding and grow tanks were not in the main house. We have a freezer out in the second building in the room where my fish are. All thew frozen foods are out there. The one exception is the frozen cooked shrimp which are in the main house as I defrost them in the fridge there starting the day before feeding them. the day before feeding them. Olus I only feed them in obe tank which is in the main house.
 
Wingless fruit flies have drawbacks. They live for a long time on meadows of floating plants, and the fish hunt them slowly as they get hungry.
The coolest video I’ve ever seen was one that Dan’s Fish had on his website a long time ago . He has Water Sprite grown as a floater in most of his aquariums and this video showed Aplocheilus blockii actively hunting fruit flies on the plants . They were practically running across the plants getting the flies and out of the water for the most part .
 
Has anyone tried feeding aphids? My rosebushes are covered with them in the spring. Not sure how easy they'd be to collect.
 
Has anyone tried feeding aphids? My rosebushes are covered with them in the spring. Not sure how easy they'd be to collect.
Collecting enough is the issue. I've fed them, but as one off treats. If I'm digging in the garden and hit ant larvae - the same. If you don't have insecticide sprayed around you and you find a pile of tiny bugs, it's a fishes' dream. But for us, live food has to be regularly available.

Ants also appeal. They are such a common food for many fish in the wild, but hard to manage.
 
When frozen food is on the rotation for that night i need two different set. One if for the bigger fosh and is normally a mix of mysis and brine shrimp. Occasionally, I add some daphnia and blood worms. For the fry I loved using cylcop-eeze until their lajke crashed and they could never get them restarted. Today I use rotifers.

I messed around a bit hatching BBS but is was a problem with decent space and the salt water would fis and get everywhere. I also messed with live red wiggler worms. I liked the worms but they are a lot of work. So I resorted to what I consider to be the next best alternatives to live food- frozen and Repashy. I also have commercial food but I am now using Ebo Aquaristik from Germany. I also have some kensfish premium flake foods and I make my own mix using:
Ken's Premium Super Tropical Flake
Ken's Ultra Vegetable Flake
Ken's Ultra Color Max Flake
Ken's Premium Super Brine Shrimp Flake
Ken's Premium Color Max Flake
Ken's Premium Earthworm Flake
Ken's Premium Immune Booster Flake
 
If I were using prepared foods more, I'd make mixes like you do. I realize that I don't, and have given away a lot of flake I had in the freezer. I had a quality bulk flakes as well - not Ken's anymore since the border issues. I use it so rarely now. If I were in the US, I'd probably use Ken's.

When I had livebearers, flake was king, but I seem to have gravitated to picky species.

I am using Tropical Insect pellets as a sinking food for my corys, though they get a lot of white worms too. My few herbivores get local dried seaweed - dulse, and frozen sliced up zucchini I grew last summer.

I checked the Daphnia cultures yesterday - 4 tubs of clear white ice. They'll be back in April.

When I read of them in the old books when I was a kid, I thought they'd be a miracle food. When I finally got Daphnia going, I was very pleased, but now, I have to confess, they don't impress me. It's a good food, and certainly a natural one, but I see no spike in egg production or breeding with them. Mosquito larvae get results, as do white/grindal worms. If I could get blackworms here, they would be good from past experience, but I can't get them. Daphnia is a 3 times a week treat when the temps are between 17 and 24. I'm going to do a moina tub this year to see if they'll produce in the hot weeks.

It's a regular Bambi movie out back, because the raccoons always try to (and often succeed at) getting the screens off the tubs, and then I find deer drinking my Daphnia cultures. Once the lids are knocked off, they're a danger to red squirrels, small birds and field mice, which I don't want drowning in there, so I add escape branches. Those become decor when they're waterlogged, when I shut down in October.
 
I've never heard of Ken's....am I missing out on something here?

My neons are dumb, they haven't figured out frozen daphnia is food. Maybe I'd have better luck with live.
 
Ken's is an east coast US online "fish stuff' company. They have a good line of cheapish flake, and are a good supply source for fishroom type set ups. Half a kilo of flake lasts too long in a small set up, and if you rotate several types, it goes long past expiration dates.

I'm known for brand disloyalty. In most cases, flake is flake, and unless a company makes something quite novel, one is as good as another. Bulk flake can be as good as the stuff we pay a fortune for. Can be. I have bought other brands that were useless filler, but while I haven't bought from Ken's since before the pandemic, they were always good.

I'd never use frozen daphnia. It looks to be all roughage to me, and not especially attractive to the fish. I froze some when the cultures were going crazy, and it was nothing to write here about.
 
The benefit of the daphnia is it helps to keep the fish regular in terms of pooping. I have freeze dried daphnia for those fish that are not bottom dwellers. The frozen will sink and the freeze dried will float. I would estimate that daphnia is less than 5% of the food my fish get and that is not a daily thing at all.

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Yes, most fish need roughage (fiber) for proper digestion, especially herbivores and omnivores, to prevent issues like bloating and swim bladder problems, which can come from plant matter or insect exoskeletons, with common additions including peas, zucchini, krill, or daphnia. Even carnivores benefit from roughage in the form of chitin from insect exoskeletons or brine shrimp to help their digestive system function correctly.
 
I do a mix of 3 flakes from Ken's, a vegi, brine shrimp, and black worm... then I throughly mix and grind them in a mortar and pestal, usually with big bites , and a high protein fry food... most everyone gets that mix once a week, again usually with spirulina algae cookies... since I only feed about 3 times a week, they get that mix 1/3 of the time.

I feed frozen shrimp ( brine and mysis ) and bloodworms, about once a week... this is put into a protein shaker bottle, filled with RO, to melt them, and distribute them evenly in a slurry... the third meal each week, consists of other quality dried foods... I really like ultra fresh micro pellets which I mix with other assorted...

I also treat Bactor AE as "food" and try to remember to add that to most tanks every other week, using the protein shakers that I use for frozen foods... I don't typically add the Bactor to Cichlid tanks, but bigger fish like my midsized kisser gourami, that has gill rakes, sucks in as much of that, as it can, when fed to that tank...
 

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