I Am Thinking Of Calling It A Day

[simonas]

"They place them where they know they will catch people to make money", Yes they do place them where they will catch people because they know that area is a hotspot for speeding and accidents because they catch people proves too many people are speeding.

I don;t agree with that one mate

Think of where the cameras are near us that work.... woodchurch road near Durley Estate, Rock Retail Park (I was caught there short while ago), by Three Counties Garage,by Asda Woodchurch....

None of those hot spots have people crossing road, are near schools etc so I can't understand the logic of having them there, what they are though are places where a driver would be slowing down from a higher speed or a wider stretch of road where they may naturally accelerate.

Now if they had safety in mind as the reason for having the camera the woodhcurch road one would be 1.5 miles down the road by the school etc

Money making scheme totally

 

[the biffster]

"They place them where they know they will catch people to make money", Yes they do place them where they will catch people because they know that area is a hotspot for speeding and accidents because they catch people proves too many people are speeding.

I don;t agree with that one mate

Think of where the cameras are near us that work.... woodchurch road near Durley Estate, Rock Retail Park (I was caught there short while ago), by Three Counties Garage,by Asda Woodchurch....

None of those hot spots have people crossing road, are near schools etc so I can't understand the logic of having them there, what they are though are places where a driver would be slowing down from a higher speed or a wider stretch of road where they may naturally accelerate.

Now if they had safety in mind as the reason for having the camera the woodhcurch road one would be 1.5 miles down the road by the school etc

Money making scheme totally

agreed there one up near hartlepool that is near a set of traffic
lights not pedestrian ones were it go's from a forty to the national
speed limit nearest school 5 miles away nearest house 1 mile away or there
abouts its only there to catch people speeding mind you it gets some stick
its been shot set on fire bricked run in to sprayed with paint and acid
and all sorts of things don to it

 

[BethK]

It's night school I am at, so my parents have my son for those evenings. The gov pay for the course, I just pay for books (£50) and the exam fees (£100).

So what if there is not any jobs available, I would work in social services as an intern or volunteer, if that option is still available. The gov will still help me out until I am on my feet, if you show willingness, they will help.

If that plan doesn't work, I'll get a job in a pub,local cinema,supermarket, until something becomes available. I find that negativity gets you no where in this world. If you look long enough and hard enough, something will be there.

I had to look for everything to do with my son when he was diagnosed, 6 months on, I am more informed about ASD and getting the relevant help needed.

 

[Betta5]

Vat increase doesn't punish the poor more than the rich, things classed as necessities are vat free anyway. It's people who buy more luxuries who pay the price there.

But benefits, that's a tough one, on the one hand something needs to be done about the people who do just want hand outs, on the other, there are people who genuinely want to work.

I remember a couple of years ago I went into a job centre. I asked for help getting a job (isn't that why they're there?). And they refused to help because I hadn't signed on.

I didn't want (or really need) their money. I just wanted a job. The money could be better spent on the people who were desperate. But what I did need was some help.

If you ask me the job centres number 1 priority should be to help people find jobs, apply for jobs, prepare for interviews, and give other related advice. Giving money out should be secondary. Reserved for the people who need it, and only given to people who are either actively looking for a job, or are trying to train to be able to get a job. There has to be a way of weeding out the scum who don't deserve it without harming people like you.

The job centre isnt there to find a job for you. They arnt your parents. They arnt there to hold your hands and walk you into a job. They are there to check that you have been doing it yourself, so you can get your money.

They are not a job agencey. If you need help or advice there are other place to visit, some are age depentant.

Also LOL at all of the stories about families coming over here, living in mansions with golden baths and diamond incrusted toilets. The people in this country fall for media scaremongering constantly, with only serves as a distraction from the real problems.

 

[BethK]

Yup, jobcenter is not there to hold your hand, they are there to ensure you are looking for a job and to advise people. JSA is a 6 month benefit, which you lose after being on it for 6 months.

I've never relied on the jobcentre for help, I turn up to my 6monthly review and go through everything I have achieved as to date.

Chances are, if people on benefits are rolling out fat cheques to pay for 50" flat screen tv's, brand new cars etc, then there is a chance they are playing the system for something, IMO.

 

[JoshuaA]

"They place them where they know they will catch people to make money", Yes they do place them where they will catch people because they know that area is a hotspot for speeding and accidents because they catch people proves too many people are speeding.

I don;t agree with that one mate

Think of where the cameras are near us that work.... woodchurch road near Durley Estate, Rock Retail Park (I was caught there short while ago), by Three Counties Garage,by Asda Woodchurch....

None of those hot spots have people crossing road, are near schools etc so I can't understand the logic of having them there, what they are though are places where a driver would be slowing down from a higher speed or a wider stretch of road where they may naturally accelerate.

Now if they had safety in mind as the reason for having the camera the woodhcurch road one would be 1.5 miles down the road by the school etc

Money making scheme totally

Asda one has a bus stop right next to the camera, and a crossing less than 20 metres from the camera itself.

Rock Retail Park Camera is right next to a petrol station where people will be slowly pulling out, people often cross the roads as well, albeit not suppose to do so.

I'm not so sure on the other ones you're talking about though. The fact of the matter was you actually broke the law to get caught, whether or not the camera is in what you assume is "the right place" you were still breaking the law by speeding and you've been caught. The camera did its job, possibly you might of learnt a lesson from it.

Wider road/naturally accelerate there is a speed limit, it's not hard to maintain a legal speed. If you "don't notice you're speeding" you don't deserve a licence to be honest (Not directed at you by the way, thats a response I was given by someone at the pub lol.)

I personally don't think there are enough cameras and especially around "hot spots" like high schools, specifically pensby I know and have seen people do stupid speeds down there to show off or just to have a bit of "fun". If you're going to speed go on telegraph road lol. Two of my friends got caught for doing 70mph down that road, one hid his car in irby park and got caught, the other got caught down by sandy lane. The one in irby park managed to get away with it as there was something to do with the policeman apparently being rough with him. The other admitted to it and only got 3 points. According to my friend (the one who got 3 points) they only knew they were speeding by the fact the police car was going 40/50/60 and it still didn't catch up.

Though end of the day, if you get caught speeding you're breaking the law the camera did its job. It has disciplined another driver who can't abide by an extremely simple speed limit.

However I would suggest rather than removing the speed cameras, you should increase the speed limits of some roads or decrease, or at least have variable speed limits. I do in fact hate speed cameras to, though I believe they serve their purpose quite well. Those who frequently complain are those who were caught breaking the law, and realistically have no leg to stand on.

Brazil are out

 

[JoshuaA]

The job centre isnt there to find a job for you. They arnt your parents. They arnt there to hold your hands and walk you into a job. They are there to check that you have been doing it yourself, so you can get your money.

They are not a job agencey. If you need help or advice there are other place to visit, some are age depentant.

Well that's exactly the reason why we have so many benefit "scroungers" because they just sit back no one monitors their progress and they are free to do SweetFa with no downside. Effectively free money! I'm not surprised so many people actually do it. If you believe they ensure you do what you're asked you clearly haven't been. The most they do is say, "How is your job search going" When I told them I found a job, the woman had to take a triple take and rub her eyes. They make you fill out a little booklet and for some reason give you a very poorly constructed plan which consists of apparently writing 2 letters a week to "Employers" and phoning up 5 week and then looking in the newspaper. Even I ignored that booklet I just filled it up with bollocks 5 minutes before I left my house. I followed none of the means they gave me and managed to find the job myself, #32### nearly all the jobs they do list are a million miles away. They expect someone who is just scraping through to move for a job? Or do they jsut not bother updating their database... I think its the latter.

Also LOL at all of the stories about families coming over here, living in mansions with golden baths and diamond incrusted toilets. The people in this country fall for media scaremongering constantly, with only serves as a distraction from the real problems.

It does happen, of course the media does its job of multiplying the facts by a million percent and then adding on a few murders/rapes and other offences before publishing, however it does happen.

 

[chrisbassist]

Vat increase doesn't punish the poor more than the rich, things classed as necessities are vat free anyway. It's people who buy more luxuries who pay the price there.

But benefits, that's a tough one, on the one hand something needs to be done about the people who do just want hand outs, on the other, there are people who genuinely want to work.

I remember a couple of years ago I went into a job centre. I asked for help getting a job (isn't that why they're there?). And they refused to help because I hadn't signed on.

I didn't want (or really need) their money. I just wanted a job. The money could be better spent on the people who were desperate. But what I did need was some help.

If you ask me the job centres number 1 priority should be to help people find jobs, apply for jobs, prepare for interviews, and give other related advice. Giving money out should be secondary. Reserved for the people who need it, and only given to people who are either actively looking for a job, or are trying to train to be able to get a job. There has to be a way of weeding out the scum who don't deserve it without harming people like you.

The job centre isnt there to find a job for you. They arnt your parents. They arnt there to hold your hands and walk you into a job. They are there to check that you have been doing it yourself, so you can get your money.

They are not a job agencey. If you need help or advice there are other place to visit, some are age depentant.

Also LOL at all of the stories about families coming over here, living in mansions with golden baths and diamond incrusted toilets. The people in this country fall for media scaremongering constantly, with only serves as a distraction from the real problems.

whilst in a sense you are right, part of their job is to help get people working again. Part is to make sure people aren't starving to death etc through unemployment.

If they actually got off their #14### to help people in need find a job, especially the ones who obviously aren't just there for the hand outs, they could cut down the unemployment numbers.

One question, if they aren't there to help people find jobs why are they called the job centre? Not just a dole office?

 

[simonas]

Joshua

thats my point in that roads like by pensby school need them as do by woodchurch road in prenton etc. the asda and rock retail park don;t

I got caught cos i thought the road was 40!!oops

 

[JoshuaA]

Joshua

thats my point in that roads like by pensby school need them as do by woodchurch road in prenton etc. the asda and rock retail park don;t

I got caught cos i thought the road was 40!!oops

I sympathise with you on that one, I have myself incorrectly gauged a speed limit. However the speed camera did its job where it was. It is likely there are many people get caught there!

Though totally agree with you saying they really need to be outside schools etc. I would say the Asda one is actually necessary I have seen a lot of people getting off those buses and running across the road. It is also quite a large uphill bend which people tend to put their foot down before hand. It's proved its in the right place if it has caught someone where it is (you).

 

[Kipsie]

I dont really know what you guys are talking about (is this some UK thing), but I hope all works out for you in your country.

Actually, I hope you all get on well.

Saying "I hope" won't do anything, but hopefully, it'll bring you some happiness to know people care.

 

[JoshuaA]

Basically, people get free monies from the government if job seeking (unemployed). The money is there to help you live and help you afford the processes to finding a job bus fares etc etc. However the temptation for a lot of people in this country is there to just not bother finding a job and stockpiling free monies at the tax payers expense (everyone who actually works).

However this thread was more about disability benefits which are usually necessary, unfortunately these are abused as well by people claiming disability on certain things like having a damaged spine when in fact they are perfectly healthy and use the money to go on holiday etc etc.

The OP of this topic however does not appear to abuse his benefits, though he may have them cut due to new governmental reform.

VAT/Speed cameras etc just come into the debate all the time with things like these.

 

[Kipsie]

Basically, people get free monies from the government if job seeking (unemployed). The money is there to help you live and help you afford the processes to finding a job bus fares etc etc. However the temptation for a lot of people in this country is there to just not bother finding a job and stockpiling free monies at the tax payers expense (everyone who actually works).

However this thread was more about disability benefits which are usually necessary, unfortunately these are abused as well by people claiming disability on certain things like having a damaged spine when in fact they are perfectly healthy and use the money to go on holiday etc etc.

The OP of this topic however does not appear to abuse his benefits, though he may have them cut due to new governmental reform.

VAT/Speed cameras etc just come into the debate all the time with things like these.

Alrighty then.
I sorta understood that.

 

[chrisbassist]

Yeah, the guv needs to find a way if getting rid of the freeloaders to save money. Not not kill off the genuine people who deserve the help.

 

[JoshuaA]

Yeah, the guv needs to find a way if getting rid of the freeloaders to save money. Not not kill off the genuine people who deserve the help.

Seconded.