Hybrid Livebearers

[Butch]

Hey I got few questions for you. What the results looks like if you cross the balloon molly with normal molly (I know they are same species) but just curious.

Also are gambusia/guppy hybrids a myth fish?

 

[kribensis12]

You will get some ballons adn some regulars. Ballons are defected fish, so some fish will have the defect, others wont. I didnt know Gambusia could hybridize. But i've had a Molly and Guppy Hybridize before . I think i haver the pic's somewhere!

 

[Butch]

Huhhh....Krib, your experiments have too many flaws and your molly/guppy hybrid are just a wild-type molly. I never asked question about golly/muppy? But im planning to. All I need is some virgin mollies.

 

[~T~]

Hey I got few questions for you. What the results looks like if you cross the balloon molly with normal molly (I know they are same species) but just curious.

Also are gambusia/guppy hybrids a myth fish?

I think the gene for short body is recessive so you would probably get all normal mollies(dont quote me on that though).

 

[kribensis12]

Huhhh....Krib, your experiments have too many flaws and your molly/guppy hybrid are just a wild-type molly. I never asked question about golly/muppy? But im planning to. All I need is some virgin mollies.

Does that look like a Wild Type Molly to you? Dont make Accusations that you cant back up. I sold that one as i changed my tnak to cichlids for a whiule, and was afraid that it would get killed. I have no idea where it is right now!

 

[Butch]

Its looks like a lyretailed molly, especially the ones at my lfs.

But don't get so upset about it and think before you post it. Im not looking for trouble, Krib. So chill out. I don't need a backup.

 

[kribensis12]

but there are a couple of things about that.
1. My femlae Black Delta Guppy gave birth to it
2. That fish is 1 year's old in that pic adn it wasnt even an inch. I kept it in a 20g fish tank( it's in a 30g in that pic) so it shouldnt have any problems growing nice and big
3. Notice how it's body isnt shaped like this: http/www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/970/65010334.JPG My golly's body is to long and plump in a different area than that one is
4. The female guppy was a virgin, as i had her in a molly fry tnak and she never gave birth over the 3 motnhs she was in there

 

[Butch]

But there's lots of flaws you have.
1. A female guppy can stored the sperm up to 4 to 6 months. And its possible that the black delta guppy or the older molly fry ate all of her fry before you knew they were being born during her time in the tank alone away from the male guppies.
2. Mollies are not fast growing fish. It can take six months to a year to become sexually mature.
3. So are other mollies that don't looks like to each other. Your golly looks like just a young lyretailed molly with good belly.
4. Your "golly" was born in the molly fry tank? It can be just another molly fry that you don't notice that it was there before.

Didn't you mixed the guppy fry with molly fry in the same tank? Im good to find the flaws.

 

[kribensis12]

1. She had no gravid spot, she was never "fat" , i had her in a tropical community before that, and no babies( or even a slight bilge), and i almost never miss a birth, the only time i miss a birth is when i dont care if they give birth in the tank, or im not a home for the week.
2. They were fed Baby Brine Shrimp. Right now i hav e a1 month old black molly almost the size of the fish in the pic. I also just sold 2 dalmation mollies that were over an inch adn they wer 3 monmths old.
3. I had this debate before. I have taken it up to my lfs and my freind( who is resigning, and has about any fish imaginable at home, and outsmarts all the other staff) said either it was a golly, or some weird hybrid with another really off molly.
4. It was born in a breeder, along with abotu 20 other fry. Then i put her back in the 20g.

Im good at correcting flaws.

 

[Butch]

I doubt it. I read all of your posts about the hybrid livebearers and you have too many flaws.

That "golly" looks like just normal molly. There's small species of molly such as shortfin and liberty mollies who don't grow big than sailfins. Its possible that molly was just a hybrid of two species of molly. Lyretailed molly cross with liberty molly mostly likely.

Gravid spot are no longer apply on livebearers. Your guppy may not appeared pregnant but she can have smaller batch of fry and its possibly the community fish ate all of fry during night.

Again, why you put the "golly" fry and the guppy fry mixing in the tank with the molly fry? Some guppy fry and the molly fry look same to me depends what color. You don't have any records on the fry. Its possible that you were mistook the "golly" for another molly fry who happened to be in the molly fry tank.

But your molly is not guppy/molly hybrid. Its mostly likely to be just hybrid molly. Again there are lots of flaws you have.

I like the guy who do experiments on "Good Golly!" more than you because he don't have any flaws.

 

[kribensis12]

THe chacne of mistaking a molly from the guppy batch is almost nil, as the mollies in there we just starting to become sexually mature, i think i could identify 4 males, and the rest still looked like females. Gravid spots still apply, as there are a very good indicater. But what im saying is, the female was completely skinny. And her batch was over 20, so you would have seen them. Also, she was never squared off, like most livebearers do when birthing. We dont even have short fin or liberty mollies avalible here( well, my fav lfs superpets could order them if i wanted) so, it couldnt have been that. What im saying is, you can debate this all you want, but i know it was( maybe still is) a golly.

 

[helterskelter]

The balloon gene will not be expressed then the next generation of fry unless you breed both balloon parents.

But in the next generation you should get a 50/50 mix of balloon/normal mix.

Gambusia/guppy will not cross

As for the guppy/molly debate kribensis12 knows my views already and i cant be bothered anymore.

 

[Butch]

THe chacne of mistaking a molly from the guppy batch is almost nil, as the mollies in there we just starting to become sexually mature, i think i could identify 4 males, and the rest still looked like females. Gravid spots still apply, as there are a very good indicater. But what im saying is, the female was completely skinny. And her batch was over 20, so you would have seen them. Also, she was never squared off, like most livebearers do when birthing. We dont even have short fin or liberty mollies avalible here( well, my fav lfs superpets could order them if i wanted) so, it couldnt have been that. What im saying is, you can debate this all you want, but i know it was( maybe still is) a golly.

Still you have poor evidence about your golly. Gravid spots are no longer apply to the livebearers recently. Even the skinny female guppy can have fry. 20 is just small batch compared to 30 to 60 fry. And sometimes the livebearers may not squared off, could have fry. The mollies in the local pet stores are already hybrids of sailfin, mexican sailfin and the shortfin mollies. So that "golly" may had a ancestor of shortfin or liberty molly in many generations back. Of course the so called "golly" of yours appeared to have a lyretail ancestor too.

Darkmoon Bettas has best evidence because he was in controllable environment. You claimed you have platy/molly hybrids or was swordtail/molly hybrids, which i are highly doubt about it. And you were never mentioned that there were other fish in the community tank with the female guppy. And you dont mention what strains of the mollies you have in other tank.

Mollies growth rate varies depend on the genetics, the feeding, the health and the conditions. Some sailfin mollies are slowgrowing fish, especially the males.

Really your golly is just small silver lyretailed molly with mixed ancestors of different species of mollies. Its possible its already inbred which mostly livebearers can sometimes look funny.

Plus the finnage placement looks right for the shortfin/sailfin hybrid mollies and the body too.

About the fry....you did put the fry from the female guppy into the tank with the molly fry. If the female guppy has some sperm left, she would reject the molly sperm until the guppy sperm are completely used up. But your female guppy has only two more months left for use the guppy sperm.

If the golly was born with other fry, how come it was only one and not others? Where is the other 20ish fry? And the "golly"'s mother should carried more hybrid fry in future batch but it appeared that you have only one golly.

 

[kribensis12]

As far as i know, i have never owned a platy or sword cross with a molly as it isnt possible. They arent anywhere near related. But platy sword mixes are possible. My sowrd is crossed with a platy as it has a mickey mouse sign on it's tail. The mom died from Ick along with some mollie babys. I seriously dont know what happend to the other babies. The only one a paid attention to was the Golly. I am guessin gi sold the guppy babies when they got to maturity. Your guess is as good as mine.

 

[Thomas 2507]

Calm down ladies! I'm no expert but it's highly unlikely that a guppy could hybridize with a molly. Not impossible though.