How?

[Colin_T]

look at the fat belly on that catfish

 

[cheesy feet]

Hehe, raphaels are pigs, looks like she's dead doesn't it?

 

[kribensis12]

What is "fill" ? And how do i set it?

 

[raptorrex]

I had it on Zoom, but ust a little as it's hard to get a individual pic. I dont have a "macro"mode. I dont know how to mess with anything. Here is info about my camera so you know what im deaing with: [URL="http/www.kodak.com/eknec/PageQuerier.jht...pq-locale=en_US"]http/www.kodak.com/eknec/PageQuerier.jht...pq-locale=en_US[/URL]
Hope fully i get a job, and when i do( im only 14, but have been putting in applications) i want to get a new camera. Any Suggestions? Remeber im a kid who is poor, i want something good, but in a 100-200 dollar price range.

ok first dont use the zoom. all that happens is you need to be further away from your subject. always use the lens on its widest setting. flash or no flash use an ASA setting of 100-200-400 each successive setting gives slightly lower quality, but each number you go up decreases the light needed by 50%.

Strange, my cheapish camera picks up light fine on the lowest ISO setting on even my lowest light tanks.Only cost £50
I'll have to attempt some more photos with flash. Heres one (and the other end without flash lol), taken with flash, it doesn't seem to give the right colour when using flash though.

Taken in 100gal with only one 36watt tube

Taken in nano with majority of light being completely blocked away by vallis leaves.

quite true what you say, however two things stick out, you like me have a cheaper camera, as such the flash colour balance is way off, something you need to deal with in Photoshop or Gimp. second one is that many leave the light type setting to auto, this often leads to trouble with colour balance, this coupled with the fact that the tiny particles in your tank reflect light back, sometimes giving that milky look to the pictures. but its all par for the course, its not that long ago that this sort of thing was dealt with via correction filters and diffusers, before you took the shot. telling people you don't have the skills to take good quality photographs of fish using flash is fine, and would be true looking at these shots. but saying its no good simply because of that, is not only unhelpful but untrue.



here the colour is fine, though you can see one of the problems when using flash, often the angles you use to avoid flash back, can cause the spotlight effect you see on the second picture, it only tales a short while to sort it out. but we are talking about colour here.

with all due respect the colour balance, whilst pleasing, on the shrimp is way out, way too green and it is hiding lots of detail and the shrimp in not resolved in any real detail. lol i understand your point, perhaps a better example next time! top ones is adjusted me, ps i might be a bit bright on the red shrimp, i dont know the species, and i only spent 1 minute doing the edit.



fill in flash is a system where you set a flash to give four times less light than it would for a normal flash shot, and can be coupled with slower shutter speeds to freeze action whilst allowing the ambient light to have effect too. fill in flash is the stock in trade for the paparazzi. 99% of keen amature and proffesional shots with the exception of landscapes, taken outside will be shot with this method.

 

[kribensis12]

Okay, i figuerd at where fill is. Not let me go off to take some piccy's! Be back in a few!

 

[raptorrex]

Okay, i figuerd at where fill is. Not let me go off to take some piccy's! Be back in a few!

fill could be problematic with a compact type camera, these often allow the shutter speed to drop way low, and the result is blurred pictures from camera movement. it is best used in daylight, where the shutter speeds are higher, and it does the job it says "fills in" the slight shadow areas with its pop of light. it also drops the power, well duration, of the flash. often the flash will no longer carry to the back of a 12 inch tank, with real definition. cameras with higher power flashes will be no better off, because if they carry they will burn out the foreground.

 

[cheesy feet]

I had it on Zoom, but ust a little as it's hard to get a individual pic. I dont have a "macro"mode. I dont know how to mess with anything. Here is info about my camera so you know what im deaing with: [URL="http/www.kodak.com/eknec/PageQuerier.jht...pq-locale=en_US"]http/www.kodak.com/eknec/PageQuerier.jht...pq-locale=en_US[/URL]
Hope fully i get a job, and when i do( im only 14, but have been putting in applications) i want to get a new camera. Any Suggestions? Remeber im a kid who is poor, i want something good, but in a 100-200 dollar price range.

ok first dont use the zoom. all that happens is you need to be further away from your subject. always use the lens on its widest setting. flash or no flash use an ASA setting of 100-200-400 each successive setting gives slightly lower quality, but each number you go up decreases the light needed by 50%.

Strange, my cheapish camera picks up light fine on the lowest ISO setting on even my lowest light tanks.Only cost £50
I'll have to attempt some more photos with flash. Heres one (and the other end without flash lol), taken with flash, it doesn't seem to give the right colour when using flash though.

Taken in 100gal with only one 36watt tube

Taken in nano with majority of light being completely blocked away by vallis leaves.

quite true what you say, however two things stick out, you like me have a cheaper camera, as such the flash colour balance is way off, something you need to deal with in Photoshop or Gimp. second one is that many leave the light type setting to auto, this often leads to trouble with colour balance, this coupled with the fact that the tiny particles in your tank reflect light back, sometimes giving that milky look to the pictures. but its all par for the course, its not that long ago that this sort of thing was dealt with via correction filters and diffusers, before you took the shot. telling people you don't have the skills to take good quality photographs of fish using flash is fine, and would be true looking at these shots. but saying its no good simply because of that, is not only unhelpful but untrue.



here the colour is fine, though you can see one of the problems when using flash, often the angles you use to avoid flash back, can cause the spotlight effect you see on the second picture, it only tales a short while to sort it out. but we are talking about colour here.

with all due respect the colour balance, whilst pleasing, on the shrimp is way out, way too green and it is hiding lots of detail and the shrimp in not resolved in any real detail. lol i understand your point, perhaps a better example next time! top ones is adjusted me, ps i might be a bit bright on the red shrimp, i dont know the species, and i only spent 1 minute doing the edit.



fill in flash is a system where you set a flash to give four times less light than it would for a normal flash shot, and can be coupled with slower shutter speeds to freeze action whilst allowing the ambient light to have effect too. fill in flash is the stock in trade for the paparazzi. 99% of keen amature and proffesional shots with the exception of landscapes, taken outside will be shot with this method.

The actual original photo is much closer to what it looks like, although as you said it is a bit too green.At the time however I only had my daylight lamp and a floures mode on which makes everything a bit greener then it is lol.
My camera just isn't very good at taking photos with flash, neither am I, and neither is it very good at close macro shots because as you said it's just a cheapo one.Pleases me though.The water was actually blueish with the photo of the silver dollar since it was taken after I had used meth blue.

 

[kribensis12]

Okay, i got some. They are still terrible, but i'll show you i at least tried! :

Red Platy

4 fishies in a barrel

Female Dalmation Molly

Red Platy Female

Male Guppy

Male Guppy( messed up pic, but i think it looks cool)

Told you, still crapy!

Wait I still have more! :

Male Guppy( again, crappy pic, but i thought it was cool)

Male Guppy Pic

 

[SLC Flyfishing]

Those look a lot better kribensis12!

SLC

 

[raptorrex]

excellent start kribensis12, all you need now is a little practice, as i said get to know your camera.

 

[Colin_T]

the stuff at the back of the tank is in focus but the stuff at the front isn't. You need to move the camera back a bit to get the other stuff in focus. It is because your camera has a minimum focal range of 80cm. If you are closer than that to the subject the camera cannot focus on it properly. But the pics are definitely getting better overall. Go back and look at the first ones you posted and compare them to the latest ones. There's a big difference.

 

[kribensis12]

Thanks! If i move back any farther than that wont be able to get pic's so that you can see the individual fish!

 

[raptorrex]

once you get sharp pictures, you can use an editor to compose your pictures as you want, within reason! you will have to wait for a better camera to get any closer. there are some close up filters from a firm called Cokin, they have an adapter for compact style cameras, but the cost will probably be a bit high, lol considering the cost of descent quality compact style cameras today.

 

[kribensis12]

thanks! So bascially:
Take pic's far away( using fill), and then crop to make them closer to see the fish?

 

[SLC Flyfishing]

thanks! So bascially:
Take pic's far away( using fill), and then crop to make them closer to see the fish?

That's the idea, but with only 3.2 Megapixels you won't be able to crop in very close before the photos look too pixelated.

SLC