How "sweetheart/dyed Parrots/fh Are Made"

[Synirr]

Yeah, the spots continue smoothly from one fin to the other. You can see what I'm saying though, right? That's no space where a caudal peduncle could ever have been, the bases of the fins touch in the back.

 

[diademhill]

Sorry, but that is a cut fish.
I have seen naturally tailess convicts, odd ones in large spawns, and they didn't have the crumpled look her end does but were more like then notched angels linked above.

Given that she was also dyed & from a batch she is a mutilated fish.
She would have been cut at an early age. If they can inject tiny glassfish they can snip fry under an inch and it would make a lot of sense to have the losses earlier rather than growing them to the size in the magazine.

 

[vancouver]

The rear end of my convict is very clean looking, and it was eaten off... it's hard to say definitively if it is cut or not.. and nobody will know for sure.

Regardless, it is a cool fish, and I'm gonna go with the no-cut theory.

 

[Synirr]

diademhill, I am of the opinion that the back end of a cut fish could never heal in such a way that the dorsal and anal fins could meet completely at the base, much less that 8 fish could heal in exactly the same way, but you're welcome to your opinion. Remember, though, that this condition can be either genetic or developmental, and if you're only seeing one fish in a spawn like this, that speaks of it being developmental. Random mutations can pop up of course, but if you've seen more than one tailless con in your lifetime, from separate large spawns, it's probably developmental... mutation rates are, as a rule, incredibly small.

Her bum looks that way because the back part of her spine is missing, basically... muscles associated with the caudal peduncle are also gone, but swimming muscles associated with the rest of her body are still present. It makes a little dimple-like area at the back because the muscles and bone they normally connect to aren't present so they just converge and apparently connect at the base of her spine. To me, that's actually further proof it's genetic... entire muscle groups are missing instead of just pieces being gone, and the shape of her body is altered to fill in the "gap" where the missing parts would have been.

Also, of course she'd be from a batch even if it were genetic... they BREED for this trait, remember?
I read long ago somewhere that it is a dominant trait, so even outcrossing a sweetheart parrot to another normal fish would produce tailless fry (assuming, of course, that that information is true.)

The problem with snipping the tail as early as you describe is that fry that size are much more fragile... glass fish, though small, are adult or nearly adult when dyed. It's kinda like how 3-4 week old betta fry can die at the slightest disturbance, but once they hit two months you can neglect them a good long while before they complain. The issue is really the developmental stage of the fish, not the size.


EDIT: Geez, sorry for the novel, haha! I just have a lot of points I wanted to make
It's just, like I said, this is the only batch of fish I've ever seen that looked anything even close to genetically tailless, aside from one I spotted on Aquabid a few days ago... same rear end as my girl.

 

[~T~]

So you didnt actually breed the fish? You cant be sure they were born this way then.My lfs sometimes gets in tail-less midas/devils and they are very obviously snipped.I'm not saying its not possible to breed tail-less fish just that it seems easier to snip them.

 

[diburning]

ok, I can read what the site says so I will translate.

top pic: DYING METHOD 1:gather the following materials: a fish, shears/scissors, syringe (optional), goldfish dye.

pic 2: cut off tail. Don't worry if it bleeds, you are doing this because you want to. If you think its cruel, thats your fault in trying in the first place.

pic 3: cut at this angle and at this place. be sure to cut it at the flesh and not the fin.

pic 4: add coldfish color dye. (great for faking those expensive koi) This stuff is solidified and pelleted for your convenience (will dissolve when in contact with water)

pic 5: the fish will absorb the color into its blood. put back into water and repeat the color step every day.

parrot article: Wonder why parrots come in so many colors?? well they aren't natural. keep reading to see how they are made!!

parrot pic: look at these nice rainbow parrots!

injection dying: step 1: inject color into fish with syringe. step 2: get more dyes if you need other colors. step 3: since these dyes are plant based, if you have a pleco, it may start sucking the dye out of your fish. step 4-6: sit back and wait for the color to emerge

bottom: cover of fish love hate magazine

 

[Nevergone815]

ok, I can read what the site says so I will translate.

top pic: DYING METHOD 1:gather the following materials: a fish, shears/scissors, syringe (optional), goldfish dye.

pic 2: cut off tail. Don't worry if it bleeds, you are doing this because you want to. If you think its cruel, thats your fault in trying in the first place.

pic 3: cut at this angle and at this place. be sure to cut it at the flesh and not the fin.

pic 4: add coldfish color dye. This stuff is solidified and pelleted for your convenience (will dissolve when in contact with water)

pic 5: the fish will absorb the color into its blood. put back into water and repeat the color step every day.

parrot article: Wonder why parrots come in so many colors?? well they aren't natural. keep reading to see how they are made!!

parrot pic: look at these nice rainbow parrots!

injection dying: step 1: inject color into fish with syringe. step 2: get more dyes if you need other colors. step 3: since these dyes are plant based, if you have a pleco, it may start sucking the dye out of your fish. step 4-6: sit back and wait for the color to emerge

bottom: cover of fish love hate magazine

thanks for the translation!

 

[Synirr]

T -- Yeah, it IS easier to snip them, that's why so many breeders are doing it now. I just don't think my fish was snipped based on how her rump looks and the fact that all 8 siblings looked exactly the same back there... I've seen many snipped fish and the back end can vary quite a bit, from being smooth to having an obvious indention etc, but never have I seen a fish in a batch of obviously cropped ones that looked like mine. Their body simply doesn't grow to fill in the gap

 

[FishOwner]

Thanks Meepster for doing the translation even if it did make me kinda ill....

I have to agree with Synirr on her fish. I think her fish is a real genetic mutation. They do happen, that's why you have to cull your fry to remove any deformities. The analogy with the manx cat was a good one since the manxes without any tails get that funny little dimple in there. I can see that same type of dimple in the pics. BTW Synirr, love your fish, she's gorgeous! But the angel site was just yeeechhh! Gave me the willies!

Goldfish, as everyone knows, have been mutated for years to produce fish without dorsal fins, or huge head growths, or (one of my favorites) the ones with bubble eyes, but as with any project it takes time and effort.

A good fish breeder will take the time to breed out the tails while the greedy and callous will take the easy way out....sad what people will do for money!

 

[GuppyDude]

Who the hell thinks of these things, i dunno if i could ever take a pair of scissors to a fish or any other liveing critter

 

[~T~]

Heres some baby tailless midas/devils that my lfs gets in.I would assume they are snipped due to them also being dyed.

Heres my own midas, shes a little stubby

 

[FishOwner]

Beautiful fish ~T~ !!

 

[Synirr]

Wow T, those actually don't look snipped to me, just judging from the pics. They are real cuties, but the poor dyed babies . They look like my gal when she was little. Your midas is GORGEOUS BTW
If I didn't already have an oscar with my tailless gal I'd be tempted to get another like her to see if I could breed them and prove once and for all if the taillessness is genetic. I need more large tanks... and a bigger house.

 

[jarmado]

 

[~T~]

Thanks guy although my midas is not doing so good just now, she lays on her side a lot or swims head down

Btw Synirr do you have any pics of your tail-less midas?