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Teelie

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This is only a preliminary idea so no one freak out if there's something wildly uncompatible here. :D

I don't even have the aquarium yet alone any of the rest of this stuff.
  • Tank set-up:
    Forty-Fifty gallon long tank
    Live rock: Fifty-sixty pounds or 20-30 w/ Live Sand + 10 pounds for 50 gallon
    Live sand: 20 pounds w/ Live Rock + 10 pounds for 50 gallon
    Lighting? Not sure how much I'll need yet.
  • Filtration:
    Protein Skimmer
    Sump? (the store I used to work at had the skimmer in the sump with the filtration which is something I may do)
    Cannister Filter?
  • Fish:
    Black & White Percula Clown pair (Amphiprion ocellaris)
    Blue Neon Goby (Gobiosoma oceanops)
    Other fish as yet undecided, if any more can go.
  • Inverts:
    Sally Light-foot Crab (Percnon gibbesi or Graspus graspus)
    Long Spine Black Sea Urchin (Diadema savignyi)
    Turbo Snail (thirty-forty) (Turbo fluctuosa or another type)
    Lysmata amboinensis (Cleaner Shrimp) or
    Lysmata debelius (Fire Shrimp)
    Starfish? Not sure what species I'm wanting.
  • Coral & Everything else:
    Not decided on any yet.
 
hey Teelie, well let's see.

Tank set-up:
-All sounds good
-Lightning is very important depending on what you want to keep, for fish only 2 tubes will be fine, say a white bulb and a blue bulb (power-glo & marine-glo) will be just fine. So no need for nothing special.
-Unless you want to keep corals, you then will/must get a metal halide of at least 150W and if you want to see the glowy colours of the colours add a blue bulb. I would say though, it's best if you have a fish only with live rock first and then later on when the tank is more settled think of having a reef tank. It really isin't all that hard it just needs looking after.
Per example, I have a sun coral which I feed everyother day, that means taking it out and putting it in a bowl and feed each polyp (around 50) this takes me about 40-60 minutes. Then I have to feed my anenome and my plate coral by hand as well. All the rest feed on phytoplakton etc.. so they are easier.

Filtration:
-A skimmer is a must, but you already mentioned.
-Not 100% on this one as I dont have a sump. Some one should be able to help on this one.
-It's alwasy usefull, specially if you want to add things like rowaphos(phosphate remover),etc.

Fish:
Sounds good ;)

Inverts:
-Okay the sally crab might not be a good idea, here's why.
The Sally Lightfoot Crab is also known as the Nimble Spray, Short, or Urchin Crab. It has a brown body, with orange to yellow rings on the legs. It actually belongs to a family of shore crabs, however, it is less likely than the other genera to go on land. Its carapace is very flat. which allows it to hide in small crevices within rock work.

It prefers a strong current and will require a large aquarium with large amounts of rock work where it can hide and scavenge for detritus. It will also eat algae. When large, it can become aggressive and catch and eat small invertebrates and fish.

If insufficient algae is present, its diet may need to be supplemented with dried seaweed. Meaty items should also be offered.

So it might later on become dangerous to your tank inhabitants :crazy:.

-The Long Spine Black Sea Urchin will be okay, but they get HUGE, should be fine, but they take alot of space. Good algae eaters, but nocturnal so you wont see much of it at day.

-Turbo Snail , you will need lots of them, alot more than 3 for a 50 gallon. not sure on the rules for these ones but I think is about 1 per gallon or something like that. I personally dont like seeing to many snails, but they do good ;).

-Cleaner shrimp, definitly good really. They will set a station where they will remain, and also in their station if a fish aproaches it will attend to clean the fish from parasites etc.. just like the one from finding nemo :D.

- Blood/Fire shrimp, good guys but best kept in at least a few say 3. They are extremely shy and unless their is more of them in the tank you wont see him at all. Same applies for the clear shrimp ;).

- Starfish, theres quite a few that are nice. I personally have 1 at the moment, but looking into buying more. I will definitly recommend the sandsifter star, it does wonders for the substrate. It aerates it and also as it moves it around it's good for the tank. Their is also the red starfish or the blue one, good at cleaning the algae from the glass.

Coral & Everything else:

Corals(inc. anenome), see above


Hope it helps and sorry it's so long 8)
 
Depends. I'd go at least 1lb of live rock per gallon capacity of water. So 50-60lbs if a 50G tank. Sandbed should be at least 4-6" deep if you want a DSB.

The filtration is impossible to answer. What protein skimmer? Get the best one you can afford, if you can manage a Euroreef or MRC, get one, if not, then consider something like a Turboflotor.

Cannister filter is unnecessary.

Will the tank be reef ready (drilled) or no? You should consider a refugium.

Lighting entirely depends on whether you want to keep corals or not. If so, you need at least 300W.
 
The lighting, filtration and other specifics I haven't looked into yet. I'm going to shop around, see what'll work best for me when I get this going. 300 watts is the minimum? Sounds high but then being saltwater, I am not surprised. :D

So no cannister filter is needed? What type of filtration should I go with? I want it to be as self-relying on biological as possible with live rock, sand, etc but I want to do some mechanical if necessary as a back up. Don't know if I will go reef ready or not, or drilled (See at the bottom). Probably drilled if I go with a sump. I'm open to ideas on pretty much everything. I won't be ready to set up for at least several months.

There are actually 3 or 4 species of crab going by the Sally Light Foot name. The ones I picked out are a different species to the Nimble Spray. I don't know if all are partially dryland or not but I can adjust for that with some rock above the waterline. Secured top of course. :D I can set up powerheads for the current. The eating inverts part, that might not work out if it goes after the other inverts.

The Sea Urchin I don't mind the size it will get, just it's mildly poisonous tips. :p Will it out grow the size of the aquarium you think?

The Shrimp I hadn't thought of numbers yet but I'm thinking 3-5 of each is good and I should add a zero to the 3-4 Turbos I was thinking of. :lol:

I have seen blue starfish and I'm interested in one of those and/or the red one. I'm going to try getting as much color and variety for my tank as possible without over doing it. I don't know species names yet so it's still up in the air.

So all of this ought to go together fine, barring the Sally once it grows larger. What other suggestions for fish, inverts, corals, anemones and so on? I have next to nothing on ideas for corals or anemones and I'm somewhat wary of going full blown on this tank with corals and anemones just yet. Eventually I'd like to though.
 
If you are going DSB and live rock at over a lb per gallon, no mechanical is necessary. If you have a large fuge you don't even need a skimmer.

If corals are in the long-term future (and you should wait on corals and anemones for a good while anyway) then you want that lighting.
 
Teelie said:
I have seen blue starfish and I'm interested in one of those and/or the red one. I'm going to try getting as much color and variety for my tank as possible without over doing it. I don't know species names yet so it's still up in the air.
well red african stars are not reef safe picture of them from liveaquaria.com



Blue Linckia Sea Stars are very hard to keep because they cant have any copper or suden changes... but im not sure what ones you were talking about so im not sure if theise were them... :)

blue star picture
 
I know about those two but there's a much smaller red starfish that is reef safe and a blue one that doesn't get fairly large and is reef safe. The only problem is remembering the names. :(
 
is that the red one... looka t www.liveaquaria.com for it... or saltwaterfish.com for it...
 
I've thought about that and when I'm ready, I'll probably buy some off there. What I want to do is see what I'm getting first or if I can't see it, at least buy from a reputable source I know won't rip me off. Let me know how reliable he is. :)
 
Inverts:
Sally Light-foot Crab (Percnon gibbesi or Graspus graspus)
Long Spine Black Sea Urchin (Diadema savignyi)
Turbo Snail (two-three) (Turbo fluctuosa or another type)
Lysmata amboinensis (Cleaner Shrimp) or
Lysmata debelius (Fire Shrimp)
Starfish? Not sure what species I'm wanting.

Your cleanup crew is far too small. Look to getting as close to 1 snail/hermit per gallon volume.

As for cannister filter. I personally would get one even if its not used that often. Its a great way to be able to add treatments to the water etc. Carbon, Rowaphos etc.
It also makes a great haven for pod/seasqirt populations to grow.
 
Snails I've bumped to 30-40 and on another board there's been lots of suggestions too. Intially I was thinking of something else to add to a clean up crew but snails seem to be the most popular choice. :)
 

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