How Do I Maintain My Hms

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Do you not feel sorry for the fish when you do it?
I often feel i get to attatched to mine to hurt them!
But different people have different methods
Would be great for you to do it to mine because i don't think i have the nerver!
James

 

[_cRaCkEr_]

Do you not feel sorry for the fish when you do it?
I often feel i get to attatched to mine to hurt them!
But different people have different methods
Would be great for you to do it to mine because i don't think i have the nerver!
James

Hi James.

I just did it a few times since I don't really join competiotions. Try to observe your HM (in your avatar) does it have 180 degrees tails ? if yes then after few months or so If you can't maintain good and clean water and the tails will not spread 180 degrees anymore especially when they grow older. If you're not joining any competion then you don't have to do this (I'm not saying all breeders who joins the contest do this).

I just posted this information so people here will know what is going on because we are all amzed to see very good HMs for sale but what we don't know is some breeders do this first before they sell their Bettas and wheter we like it or not people are doing it, this is true with long finned bettas especially with HMs and CTs.

 

[wuvmybetta]

hmmm, I don't know why I feel so shocked about all of this when it makes perfect sense

Overall I don't imagine it really hurts the fish since they have very little nerve in the finnage, most likely just makes them a little pissy. I would imagine that you try not to cut the branching (or do you?), and do you cut all the way up to the caudal peduncle?

I'm not planning on trying it. I just want to know everything about it. *scoots up a chair*

 

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The 'HM' is an SD And he arrived dead yesterday
But i have a new CT since yesterday but his fins are perfect.
Your fish really do look awesome so i'm not complaining.
James

P.S If this note sounds bad tempered it's not i just found wording it was difficult for some reason

 

[mstinawu]

i equate this with snipping a dogs ears and clipping his tail..

 

[_cRaCkEr_]

hmmm, I don't know why I feel so shocked about all of this when it makes perfect sense

Overall I don't imagine it really hurts the fish since they have very little nerve in the finnage, most likely just makes them a little pissy. I would imagine that you try not to cut the branching (or do you?), and do you cut all the way up to the caudal peduncle?

I'm not planning on trying it. I just want to know everything about it. *scoots up a chair*

I'll post up some better drawings and pictures to illustrate it. Oh no I don't cut up to the claudal, not cutting the branching too.

Sigh, only if I'm in your area I can do it for you

The 'HM' is an SD And he arrived dead yesterday
But i have a new CT since yesterday but his fins are perfect.
Your fish really do look awesome so i'm not complaining.
James

P.S If this note sounds bad tempered it's not i just found wording it was difficult for some reason

Perfect ! congratulations with your new CT. Some SD can be converted into HM by this method (claimed by some Thai breeders)

i equate this with snipping a dogs ears and clipping his tail..

Yeah just like what they do with the Dobes.

 

[afireinside]

i equate this with snipping a dogs ears and clipping his tail..

How? I don't see him cutting of major parts.
I'm sorry but this seriously annoys me how you guys argue about this all the time. Not everyone lives in the US or UK. Where _cRaCkEr_ lives, most of the time it is common practice to do this.

Though I couldn't do it. My arms would shake way too much.

 

[Synirr]

I'm sorry but this seriously annoys me how you guys argue about this all the time. Not everyone lives in the US or UK. Where _cRaCkEr_ lives, most of the time it is common practice to do this.

Ugh, I'm with you on that one, oppositearmor. I'm sorry, but even if you find something morally repugnant, that's no excuse for cultural ignorance. No excuse.

You've certainly got courage to make this into a thread _cRaCkEr_, that's all I'll say!

As for comparing it to tail and ear cropping in dogs, while the concept of altering something for the sole purpose of pleasing aesthetics is the same, the difference lies in that dogs are mammals and feel pain exactly the same way we do. They have all the biological workings to make it happen. Bettas, particularly long-finned ones, have minimal feeling in their finnage (touching it gently doesn't elicit a reaction if the fish doesn't visually notice and if you don't touch so hard as to jostle the body, for instance), so providing that fish feel any significant amount of pain anywhere on their bodies (there is scientific debate about this,) bettas certainly don't feel it on their fins. There's minimal bloodflow and few nerve endings in finnage.

 

[mstinawu]

hmmm, I don't know why I feel so shocked about all of this when it makes perfect sense

Overall I don't imagine it really hurts the fish since they have very little nerve in the finnage, most likely just makes them a little pissy. I would imagine that you try not to cut the branching (or do you?), and do you cut all the way up to the caudal peduncle?

I'm not planning on trying it. I just want to know everything about it. *scoots up a chair*

I'll post up some better drawings and pictures to illustrate it. Oh no I don't cut up to the claudal, not cutting the branching too.

Sigh, only if I'm in your area I can do it for you

The 'HM' is an SD And he arrived dead yesterday
But i have a new CT since yesterday but his fins are perfect.
Your fish really do look awesome so i'm not complaining.
James

P.S If this note sounds bad tempered it's not i just found wording it was difficult for some reason

Perfect ! congratulations with your new CT. Some SD can be converted into HM by this method (claimed by some Thai breeders)

i equate this with snipping a dogs ears and clipping his tail..

Yeah just like what they do with the Dobes.

i wasn't trying to say that it was cruel.. i was just saying it's just like altering any animals physical aspects soley for aesthetics..

 

[fawnmodel]

I'm not against this myself, not that I would do it either.

But!
Does it really heal well reliably? Because I have had HM with blown finnage before and it does not heal reliably in any length of time, and I think some are more succeptible than others. And so if this does increase the spread, then why is it bad to let males flare to the point of blowing their fins - as maybe the resulting healing might increase the spread?


I hope that makes sense. I DO try to keep my HM and SD flaring regularly, esp when growing cause I do think letting them flare often will help keep them growing nice spread.

 

[_cRaCkEr_]

It really heals fast. Those torn tails and rotten tails/fins I cut them and let them heal as well the next thing I know is they are back in its original shape.

 

[afireinside]

Wow, cool, but nothing I'd ever try.

 

[juliehainsworth]

Wow that is interesting!

Personally I don't agree with it, to me its as bad as injecting a fish with dye!

I could understand cutting the tail back if it had fin rot or something if it was proven to help stop it spreading but just for making a fish look good then it is wrong! I think all fish look good naturally and dont need anything doing to them manually to make them look good!

 

[Andie]

i equate this with snipping a dogs ears and clipping his tail..

Yeah just like what they do with the Dobes.

i wasn't trying to say that it was cruel.. i was just saying it's just like altering any animals physical aspects soley for aesthetics..

Actually, there is some argument for health reasons related to cropping and docking as well. A lot of UK Dobe breeders are concerned of the health risks of allowing their dogs' ears to stay pendulous because it decreases aeration to the ear canal; that's why hound and spaniel ears are such a trial, because they don't get the air circulation they need. I love the look of an uncropped Dobe myself- I think they look softer, somehow. But a lot of breeders will point you to the 'original' dogs (the Ibizan hound, Pharoah hound and others like them, probably the oldest and least tampered-with dog breeds we still have around) and argue that their ears are better off because they stand upright. It's only the 'bred-down' dogs that have pendulous ears, and the health problems related thereto.

The closest fish-related practice I can think of to equate this to would be what Wuv mentioned, trimming the excess finnage off to lighten the load for the fish to carry around. After the heavy fins they've been bred for, I'm sure a little less weight would be more of a kindness than a cruelty!

<-- breeding for a shorter-finned HM herself

 

[Aceman8z]

wow... cosmetic surgery for bettas... now i've seen everything