High Ph, Any Tips?

If you have a heavily planted and lightly stocked tank, yes its possible. Plants use the nitrates as their "nitrogen" source - and stem plants can actually use ammonia - which is how some folks (especially those in the planted section) use a "silent cycle".
 
i wouldnt call my tank very heavily planted, and its pretty stocked with fish. It just seems like I should have more nitrates. This morning my nitrates are almost at zero. I should and and shook and shook the bottle and the vial.
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I added about a 1/4 of a media bag of peat to one of my filters last night. my ph this morning was about not quite 8.0, so maybe it's working. I'll fill the bag with peat, as it's not affecting the ph that rapidly so I dont have to worry about shocking my fish. Thanks for all the help
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wait a minute wait a minute! after sitting for a couple minutes (i never wait long enough
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) my nitrates are around 5.0ppm, so i DO have some lol
 
How many times did you use the test before you starting shaking vigorously? Its possible that you have used up too much of the OTHER reagent. Maybe take a sample of your water to the LFS and ask them to test it specifically for nitrates, and tell you specifically what number they get, because you believe your test kit is giving you a false low.
 
Good idea eagles. I didn't even think about that. There's def. a big difference in the #2 bottle after shaking it, so I probably really did mess it up lol so much for my master test kit
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I filled the media bag full of peat. I did one test, and was lower than 8.0. not sure where, it was a weird color and kind of hard to read lol it might be bc it was dark out and again, my lights are weird in here at night lol. I will do a test first thing in the morning. I have noticed a dif color to my water, which I don't mind bc I know the peat is beneficial to them. I also upped my number of green cories today and they are fantastically swimming around
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Any idea how often I should change the peat? I want to make sure I dont get into an up and down thing with it, that would be worse for the fish than just being high.
 
The peat leeches tannins into the water (in the form of tannic acid) and that also changes the color to a yellowy-brown. This is creating a "blackwater" environment to your tank.


Not sure about the peat change schedule... I think its something where you are going to have to keep checking the pH regularly and get a feel for it your self based on many factors. Water changes as well...
 
Im pretty sure my ph is 7.7 now. It's tricky bc it's low on the high ph scale, but too high for the reg ph scale. but if it's higher than 7.6 but lower than the 7.8, then obviously it has to 7.7. Well, that was cheap, super easy, and no chemicals needed, so Im pretty pleased
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I think you're right, it's just something that Im going to have to get a feel for. Maybe just small weekly water changes, which isn't bad bc thats what I had to do in my old tank anyway, so nothing new there. Im pretty excited.. my dreams of keeping rams might just come true
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Thank you thank you, I am very excited that this worked! my tank looks more and more like the bottom of the amazon haha but I don't mind. I think Ive settled on bolivians, but now i need to decide how many, m/f, etc etc. Any tips with bolivians is appreciated :)

I'll keep updating my ph levels.. Im interested to see if it drops off fast or if a small water change has a significant effect...
 
A little trick to lightening up peat-filtered water is to add some water clarifier to your tank. You'll need to rinse your filter cartridge (assuming you use them) more often but the tannins will be almost completely be removed in a a week or so.

I have a couple of dozen tanks and only use peat-filtered water that I filter myself in all of them. I have hundreds of rams as well so if you have any questions about either, ask away!

Lori
 
A little trick to lightening up peat-filtered water is to add some water clarifier to your tank. You'll need to rinse your filter cartridge (assuming you use them) more often but the tannins will be almost completely be removed in a a week or so.

I have a couple of dozen tanks and only use peat-filtered water that I filter myself in all of them. I have hundreds of rams as well so if you have any questions about either, ask away!

Lori

Oh jeeze, where were you a week ago haha, Im j.k. Have you found that using peat to lower the ph is a stable enough way to keep your ph low, or does it tend to shoot back up after a couple days? Im just worried that it will work for a couple days, then it loses it's goodness
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Id rather have high ph than a fluctuating ph. I wouldn't find having to replace the peat once a week though, that is easy :) I did another ph test last night and I think it went back up, but again the lighting is weird at night, Im just going to stop testing when the sun goes down. I will test again after the coffee is done
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As for the rams, is a 1m-2f ratio okay? or would i have to have 3 females. I really don't even want them breeding, my tiger barbs would eat the eggs faster than anything, and Im what you call... a pansy. hahaha. but I really don't want one ram all by himself.
 
As long as the tannins remain in the water, the pH won't shoot back up. The tannins are in the form of tannic acid. ;) The tannins being removed from the tank only happens if you use a water clarifier, not if you don't. Personally, I like the "blackwater" look - and it should bring out many of the best colors from your fish, in much the same way that a dark substrate/background does.
 
I noticed my barbs are much more iridescent looking....

Well, gulp... my ph is at 8.2 now
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I don't know what to do. This is so strange.. maybe if I do a water change and start with a bag of fresh peat in both filters? Idk...
 
I did a couple re-tests. If I shake the high ph range bottle a couple times (nothing crazy) I get a different reading. I get about 7.9. I was a little scared at first bc I first re-tested the water from the other side of the tank, infront of the other filter, and I got the 7.9. Then i thought i had water flow problems lol so before I completely panicked, I re-tested the other side again, shaking the bottle again and got 7.9. which is still higher than I would like, but I think if I start with a water change every sunday and a full bag of fresh peat in each filter, then that should last a week without too much of a fluctuating ph.
 
The only thing fighting for pH are the buffers in your tap water (and mine). I have found that peat-filtered water's pH levels remain lower much longer than any chemicals (pH down) I used to use. You don't want to be chasing pH up and down, it will do a number on whatever fish you have in your tank and, unless you have the time to document everything and perform repeated testing, you'll never end up with the same results twice.

When I first tried filtering tap water through peat, I tried several different set-ups - indoors and out, and what worked best for me on a small scale was:

1) A plastic bucket with several 1/4" holes drilled in the bottom for drainage, about 3" of quilt batting (Michael's, Walmart, or any sewing shop), and sphagnum (aka peat) moss;
2) A larger (in diameter) bucket to catch the water underneath the hole-drilled bucket;
3) Wood boards (a couple of 2" X 2" X 18") to support the drilled bucket;
4) Several empty 1-gallon Arrowhead drinking or distilled water bottles - for pouring tap water into the drilled peat bucket and a for storing extra peat-filtered water to top-off tanks.

That's all you need unless you have a gazillion tanks like I do now LOL. The 8.0 - 8.3 tap water I filter comes out at less than 6.0 pH with new peat moss. That number will slowly climb the more you filter water through it, but it would last a long time if you only have a tank or two...6 months to a year maybe at less than 7.0 pH.

If you did water changes of say, 20% once a week and replaced the tap with peat water - testing along the way - that would probably be a good recipe to bring your pH down to a desired level and simply topping the tank off occasionally with peat water will keep it down.

If you want to give it a try, holler back because there are a couple of other steps/tricks you need to do.

Regarding the rams - you can try a 1M / 2F ratio, but if any one of them doesn't like any one of them, you will know it within a few days if they play well with others or not. They may be nippy and chase one or each other for the first couple of days until a pecking order is established, but if that continues you'll need to separate either the one who is being picked on or, the one who is picking on the other two.

Females tend to get along together, but less often so if there is a male to fight over. If you have two females or one male and one female, that would be your best bet. Even if a male and female do spawn and you don't want to raise the fry, if the parents don't eat the eggs or fry themselves - if the eggs even make it long enough to be fry, the barbs will eat them. It wouldn't be as though you will be required to intervene - that's what happens in nature (easy to say but I'm a sap when it comes to saving fish too ; ). If nothing else, it is really interesting to watch the rams' behavior and spawning techniques.

Good luck!
 

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