High Kill Shelters

lol I drive 45 min 1 way to work @ 80+mph lol. I put anywhere from 4-500 miles on my car per week. In the first 8 months I had my car I put 30,000 miles on it. (started with 104 and in 8 months it had 134,000).

Plus..I'm not sure how much a pound is worth in dollars...or how comparitive your wages are to ours and our economy structure.....but paying $3 for a gallon of gas SUCKS. :lol:
 
Whats a kill shelter? (Pardon my british arrogance!)

I think the UK has a good shelter system, the RSPCA are doing a pretty good job, but there are times when they just get there too late, but thats a factor of life im afraid :(

But i agree that an animal should be given the best shot at life it can get, but if a shelter is already over populated theres not much they can do, if they take on too many animals the quality of life for the others will just keep getting worse and worse.

But i really, really take my hat off to people who volunteer and help out in whatever way they can :flex: :thumbs:

One of my ambitions in life is to hold a massive charity fashion show and auction off any clothes that i can get any celebs to personalise, and to sell bits and pieces made my myself and friends .... but thats somthing that needs alot of planning!

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A kill shelter is an animal shelter that takes in animals and gives them an certain time until they get put to sleep. Some shelters gets dogs in and right away they get a date and time put on their cage for when they will die.

And this topic riles me up too. Especially since I see it everyday! People are irresponsible. The breeding of animals needs to stop. We have too many. Way too many, my shelter alone has over 110 dogs, and over 150 cats. It's ridiculous. No one wants to adopt anymore, all people wants is puppies! Why get a puppy, who will piss on your carpets, chew on your furniture, and be a general problem, when you can get a 1 or 2 year old or older dog who won't do that, and who will already be potty trained, and who will fit right in.
Everyone is searching for the perfect dog, no one understands anymore that you must work with a dog to make it that perfect dog. I see the sad faces everyday. I see the lonely upset faces that don't understand where their family left them. Why are us humans so irresponsible. And no one is doing anything about it. I get up everyday and go take care of those dogs, knowing that their ####ty part of their life is over. And I know everyone says put them down, if they can bite put them down. Well what if they have had a terrible life. I feel horrible for those poor animals that have been shoved out in a kennel for their life, then ended up here. Or the poor animals that have been abused and have no choice to be weary. Atleast we make a difference in those animals lives. So I have a few favorites that will be coming home with me, yeah they're unadoptable, but after working with them for so long they won't bite anyone. They just want love. That's all. No one cares about the poor animals anymore. No one really cares.

And as for the neutering and spaying we have low cost neuter and spay appointments for people that need help. Plus we get most of our dogs neutered and spayed before they even go to a home. We are doing something, we're doing more than something, and in our area the puppy population has gone way down. 10 years ago when a litter of puppies came in, they picked out one puppy and put the rest down, because they had no room, and they'd get 100's of puppies in a month. But now inthe whole year we only get about 2 or 3 litters of puppies. It really is helping.

And here look at these faces, just screaming to be saved.

This girl was brought in as a stray, she's hiding in the dog box here, but she has no hair past her shoulders, from neglect, who could not care upon seeing these eyes.
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And here's behing our counter. They always lay back here. Huddled together.
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Most of those dogs were wild dogs, that were trapped, but upon working with them, they can all be walked on leashes, and are perfect dogs now. Most are all from the same family. The wild dogs have a certain look. With the curly tail, and floppy ears, they're all related.
 
Kudos to you JackDemp :clap: It would break my heart to walk in there every day and see those eyes. I have gotten all but one of my animals from shelters. I don't understand why people go and pay $500+ for a purebred dog that will probably have problems later on in life due to inbreeding. Trust me people, when you rescue a dog from a shelter, it knows what you saved them from and will be the most loving, grateful pet you've ever had. You may have to work with it but then again you would have to work with a puppy too.
(Here's one of my shelter rescues, Isis, my baby :wub:, snoozing with Daddy)
 
Unfortunately, people here in the states do the same thing with dogs and cats that people do with fish. They buy one for a child or even a spouse as a pet and then it gets neglected. With fish, they die and then people just throw the bowl away. With dogs and cats, it isn't that easy. They give them over to a shelter for adoption or just turn them loose to roam as they please. The females have puppies or kittens and then there's a whole litter of wild ones. It truly is a shame.

As much as I love animals, I can see the reason for the kill shelters. If they kept taking them in and not having them go out, they would be so over run that none of the animals would have room to even move around. At least they are making some effort to find them a home and hopefully giving them a meal and place to sleep while they're there. That may be more than most of them have ever had. As inhumane as it sounds, it may still be the best thing for some of the animals. I know that will probably get some people going but please just stop and think about it. I wish there was some type of government regulation that alleviated the need to kill animals but as long as people turn dogs and cats loose to just roam around and have puppies/kittens, there will always be a need for shelters and unfortunately a lot of "innocent" animals will be killed.

I applaud all of you that work in shelters and do the things you do. I don't think I could handle it because of the injured and sick ones and having to see them suffer or be put to sleep because they are in such bad shape.

We have a mixed breed poodle/shihtzu. We have had her almost 4 years and she is truly a part of our family. There isn't any amount of money that could make us part with her. I can't imagine anything happening to her. Unfortunately, only a few people love dogs, cats, fish, etc like those of us who are members of TFF do. We all talk about how some people think of fish as being "just a fish". Unfortunately, a lot of people see dogs and cats in the same light.
 
I'm glad to see some people caring. It's hard to work everyday and know that we have to euthanize sometimes. The hardest thing is to see the life go out of their eyes. We try so hard to make a difference. And not everyone cares...
 
When me and my boyfriend move out we will get a dog from a shelter, we would love a puppy from a shelter ... and i would love a golden retriever

BUT

I know i'm the kind of person, who will go out to get a puppy ... and end up seeing somthing completely different.

I would rather adopt a middle aged dog, whos been mistreated, and needs alot of love ... rather than a puppy who would just love you non stop anyway. It would mean more to me to help a dog over come mistreatment, rather than get a puppy.

TBH i think people see a puppy as the easy option ... they just want a puppy because its a puppy.

I believe that if i had a dog from a shelter, then the bond between man and dog would be stronger, unbreakable even! and surely thats worth more?

I do think also that breeding needs to stop, and breeders should have licenses and run proper practises, instead of buying a puppy out the free ads, you should have to go to a registered breeder, and be vetted.

Fair enough to the people who are against all this vetting, but surely any half decent human being wouldn't mind say, a reference, copy of driving license and personal details being taken?

That would deter people who buy animals for the sake of getting one, and it would really make you think before you did it.

Just my opinion anyway :p

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I don't think it fair to say don't buy a puppy. Some people like the joy of having a rambuncious little puppy under foot. Some people have children and don't want to take the chance that a stray they buy at the pound won't rip their face off whenever they feel like it (abused dogs can just snap sometimes..not all shelters do temperment testing and even if they do..how trusting are you of that person who did the testing?).
Just because you watch an animal around your child doesn't mean it still couldn't hurt your child, or even you. And although a dog you let grow up with your child may do the same thing..it's less likely to occur then if you bring in an adult animal.

It's not the public's responsibility to take care of all the unwanted dogs everyone else let's breed when they shouldn't have...for you to try and make me, or anyone else, feel bad and say that people shouldn't want a purebred dog, or puppy...and that they should only adopt from shelters instead is just not fair.
Many people get a purbred dog because of certain traits that dog may possess (seeing eye dogs, hunters, allergies, ect.). Some use purebred dogs to show and compete in events/trials with. You are unable to do that with a shelter dog. Dog's/Cat's aren't allowed to "compete"unless they have papers. So I guess in saying people need to stop breeding all together..you are also saying they need to stop being able to have these events, or stop being able to get a dog for certain behaivor, social, or other traits they may posess?

It's also unfair to group all purebred dogs into the "inbred" category and that they will eventually have health problems. Most of the time when you pay $500+ for an animal it comes with health certificates (or if it doesn't that is YOUR fault for not buying a puppy who has them)..meaning it has been tested for all or most of the diseases known to that breed and deemed healthy. You don't get that with a stray. You also don't get to pick what type dog is in a stray...and thus don't know how big it might get or small it might stay or how long it's hair may get (if you buy a pup), and you don't know what it's attitude or house behaivor might be with an adult...as in you don't know how it was treated earlier in life..and what may or may not trigger a response later down the road.

I applaud people who buy from shelters. People who take the chance that the dog won't have major health or behaivoral problems later on down the road. People who give them a 2nd chance, and who have the time and patience to re-train a dog. Re-training an adult dog is much tougher and tedious then training a puppy.


I also agree that I think breeders should have to be licensed.

Making them buy a yearly breeding license for each breeding animal, having to buy a yearly breeders license, having to buy a yearly business license, having to pay taxes, having to provide buyers with legal documentation for each animal, and have random health inspections for their breeding facilities would stop alot of the backyard breeders that sell in your local papers. I think they should go through the same regulations that other regular business owners have to go through, to operate a business.

Those are not the kind of people who do testing or have good quality puppies (not saying all the pups aren't but most are just the result of the breeder buying 2 dogs and making puppies with them).

I think breeders should be licensed and regulated, and I think the government should help fund a project to have all dogs not licensed for breeding, not being used by licensed breeders, to be altered. They go door to door checking for mandetory Rabies Vacc.'s why not breeding license checks while they are there as well.
If they did this, there wouldn't be a need for so many shelters. Not saying it would get rid of all of them..because you'd still have people who couldn't keep animals for one reason or another or didn't want them for various reasons...but it would reduce the amount significantly IMO.

Personally, if I ever get another dog it will come from a local breed rescue. Since I prefer purebred dogs, and there are tons of them across the United States (and other countries I'm sure) full of each breed, that have been tossed into shelters and they go get them, or turned over to them, or found and brought in. They are basically the same thing as a no-kill shelter..just for breed specific animals (they've been altered before adoption and micro-chipped too).
 
I think that before we can shun and condemn kill shelters, we should note that shelters do not like doing that kind of work, nor do they do so because they do not care; they are simply met with an immense overload of animals that they do not have the funding the handle. SPCAs, and many humane societies, are well-established groups that are well funded, and tend to only take on what they can handle. City animal control shelters are expected to take in any animal brought in, get very little funding, are typically understaffed, and thus, are forced to put down many of the animals that come in.
We all like to glare and cast stones and say how evil they are, but frankly, the people who murdered those animals are not the ones who injected the drug that kills them; the people responsible for the deaths of those animals are the BYBs and puppy mills; the people buying these dogs because they want a purebred, even though shelters overflow with them; the people who refuse to sterilize their pets; the people who let thier dogs and cats freely roam; the clinics who get greedy and overcharge for sterilization; pet owners who do not train thier animals then abandon them for being unruly; and the pet owners who refuse to make moderate lifestyle changes to keep their animal when situations change.
What makes me sick is that all of these things are social norms; most people would not think to challenge someone for letting their cat roam around outside, or for buying a puppy at a pet store, or for giving up their animal over some minor inconvenience that could easily be worked with. Yet we'll all frown at the shelters who euthanize. As for as I am concerned, we should be agressively pursuing irresponsible pet owners, if not with logic and advice, than with legislature. We need legislation in the country which mandates that only liscenced, professional, breeders registered under a reputable breed organization may have unsterilized pets. We need to enforce leash laws, and instate them where they are lacking. We need to make it just as illegal to have your cat roaming around as it is to have your dog doing the same; they make cat-proof fencing and outdoor cat enclosures - WHY risk you pet's life, be it getting hit by a car, killed by a predator, or picked up by animal control? In short, you can not make people just be responsible on the grounds of morality and common sense; you essentially need to force them to be good, responsible pet owners - sad but true. Now if only we could find a way to make vets charge less for a simple, routine procedure like altering that takes very little time or money...
And finally, we need education. Wide-spread, expansive education. I don't think any pet store should be allowed to operate unless it provides accurate care information for every single species it is selling. I see petco/petsmart starting to have these pet care leafletts, but they are only as accurate as the products they try to sell; they suggest that you can keep a betta in 2 cups of unheated water and clean them once a month o_O I've also seen care sheets at pet stores that do not list life span or minimum cage space, two other very important factors in pet ownership. If people know more of what they are getting in to before they buy an animal, they will be less likely to realize "oh drat, this wasn't what I wanted" and abandon it in a few weeks. The number of homeless birds, rabbits, ferrets, and exotics in this country is equally as appaling as the dog and cat situation, and unlike the latter, they do not get all of the press and funding that dog and cat groups recieve.
I think that vets also have a duty and obligation to educate. As the primary caregivers of an animal, they should be stressing the benefits of spay/nueter to owners - in temperament, health, life expectancy, and of course, preventing unwanted litters. They should be encouraging owners to keep their cats secured indoors or in an enclosed outdoor area, because most stray cats origionated from roaming felines and thier offspring, not the mention the many diseases we can not yet vaccinate against. They should be talking to clients about behavior and training, so that the puppy doesn't grow up into an agressive, nuerotic dog that gets ditched in a shelter. They should educate about breeds, so that someone living in an apartment and working all day doesn't buy a Border Collie, have it ruin their house from boredom, and dump it off somewhere. I could list on and on, but in short - they should be doing more than they are doing, and for less money as well. There is no reason why the same quality nueter should cost 20 bucks at one vet, and 70 bucks at another. As a veterinary technician, I know part of that money being charged is MY salary, but I still am confident that it doesn't need to cost that much; our clinic is very inexpensive, and it takes in strays. So at these high price clinics, someone is really lining their pockets.
Finally, on the issue of feral cats, I do believe that TNR is much more favorable than extermination. I have a real issue with feral and roaming cats, because as a wildlife rehabilitator, I see countless animals mauled and killed by cats who do not even need to eat them, but are merely driven by instinct to do so. Well fed feral colonies kill less wildlife, as do properly contained household cats. I feel that a combination of pushing indoor/enclosed oudoor cats, paired with mass spay/nueter/vaccination and management of colonies will cut down on the millions of stray cats in the US. However, unlike some groups, I do think that ferals who test positive for diseases should be euthanized; we have an epidemic of deadly, contageous feline diseases thanks to irresponsible pet owners who do not vaccinate. When we keep those diseases alive in the feral colonies, we essentially risk the entire feline population. It just isn't good logic if your goal is to maintain healthy, well-fed feral cats. And, I also think any kittens that have a chance of being tamed should be captured at weaning, socialized, and adopted out if possible. The fewer cats out there killing wildlife and spreading disease, the better.

Anyways, to the origional poster: if you do adopt from a kill shelter, please do test the kittens for diseases, get them vaccinated/spayed, and keep them indoors or in an enclosed outdoor setting. This will keep more kittens like them from ending up in kill shelters. And, since I'm sure you don't need to be told the previous anyways, just double check with disease testing a few times; many diseases do not manifest themselves until later, and kill shelters do not typically test or vaccinate. Good luck ^^
 

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