High Fin Shark?

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was in one of my lfs today buying a few fish, seen two or three fish called something like 'high fin' or 'hi fin' shark in with a tank full of gouramis. they were only 3" long or so but were marked on the tank as being aggressive.

'how big do they grow?' i asked.

'oh, about 10 feet or so' the lfs assistant replied.

any ideas what these fish (or should i said shark) are? reason i liked them is because they were so shark like, however if they're true members of that family then that would explain it!
 
hi got this info off a website this is all i could find about high fin sharks.

Myxocyprinus asiaticus Bleeker. Myxocyprinus asiaticus sinensis, Myxocyprinus asiaticus asiaticus, Chinese High Fin Sucker, Sailfin Sucker, Topsail Sucker, Asian Sucker, Chinese Sucker, Wimple Carp, Freshwater Batfish, Hilsa Herring, Rough Fish, Entsuyui (Japanese).
Family: Catostomidae (true suckers)


This page is intended to provide aquarium keeping information for the Chinese High Fin Banded Shark, Myxocyprinus asiaticus. This fish that is often sold to aquarists who are not informed of the possible problems involved with keeping this fish. I myself do not have any of these fish, though I find their appearance of the juvenile form in dealers' tanks undeniably appealing.
Images at right from:
KKS-Myxocyprinus
The "Shark" appellation is a fanciful trade name due to some slight resemblance to a shark. A temperate (not tropical) water bottom feeder native to the Yangtze river in China. Mature length up to a meter (39 inches), but it is not known if aquarium kept individuals will survive long enough to reach this size. Omnivore (but strongly herbivorous). Hunziker states that "They feed on benthic (bottom-dwelling) invertebrates and also rasp algae from rocks and logs." Described as "peaceful" (Mills), so I would not expect any predatory tendencies. Not recommended for casual aquarium keepers due to large size at maturity. Difficult to raise to maturity in captive conditions. Thought to be incompatible with tropical tank mates due to water temperature needs. Body shape and coloration changes radically with maturity (see quote from Castro, and series of drawings, below). Native to moving, cool water streams and rivers, so provide some water movement and well oxygenated water. Feed with sinking algae and plant matter containing foods (algae wafers and pellets, sinking Goldfish pellets). Appear to be schooling fish, therefore it would be best to keep them in groups (likelihood of survival without a school not known).
Temperate origin, diet and size suggest care similar to Goldfish. Possibly suited to sharing tanks with Goldfish. Stocking levels for Goldfish (10-30 gallons per fish for juvenile forms) might apply. Possibly suited to outdoor ponds in milder temperate climates, but may be difficult to see due to coloration.

An endangered species in China due to human development. Source of specimens for the aquarium trade not known.


Drawings from Fang, P.W.




Juvenile, approx. 4 inches long





Sub adult, approx. 20 inches long





Adult, approx. 40 inches long




"The truely unfortunate thing about this species is that by the time it reaches a year in age, it has changed its basic shape from a deep bodied species with a high dorsal fin to a long, slender cylindrical species with a low dorsal fin. Its marvelous contrasting colors fade into a dull blackish brown, and, if properly housed, it continues to its potential length of about 3 feet in length. So ironically, the highly desirable Chinese highfin shark, if it is fortunate enough to survive, turns into a fish that would hardly anyone would give a second look to - a sort of ugly duckling in reverse."

-Alfred D. Castro
Conclusions:
It is of dubious ethical value to keep a fish which may outgrow its tank; keeping fish is too small a tank is inhumane. Few (if any) aquarists have the tank space to house this fish at its adult size. If it is unlikely that the fish will reach adult size in an aquarium, this is a moot point. It is also of note that the fish is an endangered species. Since the fish is not really "captive bred" in the aquarium trade, keeping the fish in an aquarium does not contribute to its survival as a species. Aquarist demand for this fish may contribute to its extinction, since juveniles must be taken from its breeding habitat and out of any pool of individuals that are likely to reproduce.
 
thanks chris, having read that pleased i wasn't tempted, which i might have been if i had an 8 by 3 foot tank!
 
it's weird, they had it marked as high fin but it didn't look anything like the images on that site, was a lot more like a minature shark, colouring wasn't as exotic, more of a silvery grey.
 
pretty sure just high fin, the word chinese definitely wasn't listed. just looked on net a bit more, think it might have been this ... and i'm not joking ...

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:huh:
 
just measured out 10 feet, thats like the size of my room!! these must have been very young which you saw. i don't know how these can be sold when they grow to such a huge length?

woah :eek:
bet you are glad you didn't buy one then
 
just measured out 10 feet, thats like the size of my room!! these must have been very young which you saw. i don't know how these can be sold when they grow to such a huge length?

woah :eek:
bet you are glad you didn't buy one then
you're not joking! did a search for 'high fin shark' on altavista and found 2 or 3 that showed the breed as in the pic. the ones in the tank resembled it very closely so reckon it was one of those (whatever it is!) if they take years to grow i might be tempted to buy one (re-homing it when it reached x amount of inches long) but chances are it would be too big for my tank in a few months so wouldn't consider it.

as you say probably not the most sensible fish for a lfs to be selling, assuming that's what it is.
 
You'd be surprised - if what you saw looks like that, that's what it was. They are actualy quite common despite their obvious unsuitability.
 
Yep, one of the common names for Pangasius sanitwongsei is High fin shark. In the last year loads of these have been coming into the UK instead of the usual Pangasius hypophthalmus (Iridescent Shark), probably excess stock from aquaculture for food. They should be seriously avoided, not only do they grow to 10 feet but they eat anything that fits into their mouth which will include pets and small children should the chance arise.
 
Good grief.

You'd think it would actually be illegal to sell something that is a potential danger like that.

Still I suppose they are banking on most people not doing this kind of research and just buying one, which will only make 10 inches or whatever after it's been shoved in with the guppies in a 2ft tank :(
 

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