Hi there, Need some advise plz. Large fish with swim bladder

Yes it's 60 ltres and I have a fluvel filter, can't remember the name of it though, it's reliable. Feed fish on floating and sinking pellets and trying some peas. I didn't feed them for 2 days, thinking it may help. I have made inquiries about a larger tank. I'm attached to my fish so getting rid of some isn't an option.
 
Yes it's 60 ltres and I have a fluvel filter, can't remember the name of it though, it's reliable. Feed fish on floating and sinking pellets and trying some peas. I didn't feed them for 2 days, thinking it may help. I have made inquiries about a larger tank. I'm attached to my fish so getting rid of some isn't an option.
Make sure the peas are peeled and crushed before put in. What about your water changes? How often and what size?
 
Hi Ruby, have you got the number for the ammonia levels?
Unfortunately Nick is correct in saying that the tank is overstocked. I wouldn't keep more than 1 fancy goldfish in a 60l tank, and in fact I'd be aiming more toward the 100l just for the 1.
The reasons are that they get big, like 8 inches minimum depending on species, and need a lot of swimming space as well as a wide turning circle at each end of the tank. If they don't have that space to grow then they get stunted and their body will stop growing but their internal organs won't and it will eventually lead to their demise.
Another reason is that they poop. A lot. Goldfish are known to be one of the highest waste producing fish out there in fact. The filter won't be able to cope with all the ammonia being produced from that waste and in turn you end up with a spike and sick fish.
We're not trying to be horrible at all but I would really recommend that you either get a much larger tank or rehome most of those fish otherwise this is a problem that's just going to keep repeating itself

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What mrsc said

We also need to know what medication they sold you because some medicines are no good for SBD and can in fact make it worse.
 
Hi Ruby, have you got the number for the ammonia levels?
Unfortunately Nick is correct in saying that the tank is overstocked. I wouldn't keep more than 1 fancy goldfish in a 60l tank, and in fact I'd be aiming more toward the 100l just for the 1.
The reasons are that they get big, like 8 inches minimum depending on species, and need a lot of swimming space as well as a wide turning circle at each end of the tank. If they don't have that space to grow then they get stunted and their body will stop growing but their internal organs won't and it will eventually lead to their demise.
Another reason is that they poop. A lot. Goldfish are known to be one of the highest waste producing fish out there in fact. The filter won't be able to cope with all the ammonia being produced from that waste and in turn you end up with a spike and sick fish.
We're not trying to be horrible at all but I would really recommend that you either get a much larger tank or rehome most of those fish otherwise this is a problem that's just going to keep repeating itself

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Yes, I thought it was a little harsh, but I know your right about the tank size, because the fish have got slightly bigger. I made inquiries about a larger tank and hopefully within the next couple of weeks I'll have it delivered. At the moment the water is changed (20%) once a week. It's really hard trying to feed the sick fish peas, as the others are like piranha's. Sorry don't have the ammonia level number as she never said, but she says it was slightly turning ammonia color (slightly green) as I remember. Really I wish I could do something else to save this fish.
 
What mrsc said

We also need to know what medication they sold you because some medicines are no good for SBD and can in fact make it worse.
Melafix on the bottle it says for all bacterial infections. I put a couple of teaspoons in the other day, also aquarium salt. Heard Epsom salts are good.
 
At the moment the water is changed (20%) once a week
I would start doing 50% twice a week and checking water parameters daily.

Do you have Seachem prime? If you do it might be advisable to add add 2 drops per gallon per day between water changes.

In your case 60 liters = 15 gallons = 30 drops this should keep ammonia nitrite and nitrate bound up between water changes.
 
Made enquires, and found somewhere that does Seachem prime. Will get it as soon as. Thanks
 
Yes, I thought it was a little harsh, but I know your right about the tank size, because the fish have got slightly bigger. I made inquiries about a larger tank and hopefully within the next couple of weeks I'll have it delivered. At the moment the water is changed (20%) once a week. It's really hard trying to feed the sick fish peas, as the others are like piranha's. Sorry don't have the ammonia level number as she never said, but she says it was slightly turning ammonia color (slightly green) as I remember. Really I wish I could do something else to save this fish.
20% isn't enough. 50% weekly would be better. Also, you should have your own liquid test kit (consider API).
 
Sorry if I came across rude it was not my intention.

You can get Prime from your fish place

Melafix on the bottle it says for all bacterial infections. I put a couple of teaspoons in the other day, also aquarium salt. Heard Epsom salts are good.

Melafix, I am not a fan of this product and do not recommend it to anyone, But I keep Bettas not gold fish.

also aquarium salt.
This will cause problems. In short, your fish needs to pass fluids and water. AQ would hinder this.

Heard Epsom salts are good.

Epsom Salt is magnesium sulfate, which you may know as a saline (salt) laxative or a remedy to reduce swelling for humans. It is easily found nearly anywhere, often in first aid aisles and even in gas stations! Please note that humans use Epsom as a means to relax when infused into bathwater, so sometimes it has dyes or is scented. Please only use unscented, undyed Epsom when medicating your fish!

What's Epsom do?:
Epsom has a bunch of uses. Not surprisingly, its uses in fish are very similar to its uses in humans. When used properly in fish, it can act as a laxative as well as a means to reduce swelling. If used correctly in fish that have swim bladder disorder (SBD), epsom can help them swim better and even be able to sink.

What does this mean for my fish?:
These qualities mean you can help a bloated or constipated fish expel backed up waste and feel good again, as well as reduce swelling that may be caused by disease or infection. The swelling Epsom can assist with includes: popeye, external wound infection swelling, and in some cases relieve pressure from dropsy.

How much of this salt per gallon do I use?:
For Epsom, you use 1 TABLEspoon (TBSP) per gallon of water. This is three TEAspoons (TSP).

How long does the betta stay in this mixture?:
In Epsom, the betta should stay in for 10-15 minutes, with 10 being less severe need and 15 being a more severe need. Never exceed this time!

How long should my fish be left to acclimate before going back into its tank in this mixture?:
Acclimate your fish (see below) for 2-5 minutes before going back to avoid shock.

How to prepare (any) dip for your fish:

Prepping for the dip is the same for either salt type. You will need:
  • a clean fish-only 1 gallon container
  • a smaller container
  • Water conditioner
  • a measuring spoon
  • thermometer
  • net
  • your undivided attention!
  • watch/timer/alarm
  • salt per your needs


Here's what you need to do:
  1. Fill your gallon container very fully with clean, treated water. Make sure the water is the same temperature as the water the fish came from in its tank via the thermometer. This prevents temperature shock.
  2. Add the salt per recommendation and stir it until it is fully dissolved.
  3. Get a second container with 1/4 salted water like your 1 gallon tank, and the rest (3/4) with tank water (this is the "reviving station").
  4. Carefully get your fish from its home and gently put it into the water. You must make sure that the fish does not pass out! You can tell if a fish has conked out if it is no longer breathing (look at its gills, by the eyes) or if it lists to the side and becomes still. It may knock out due to the sudden change in salinity (saltiness) of the water, but can be revived.
  5. *If the fish passes out or becomes extremely stressed, remove it! Carefully but hastily put the fish into your reviving station to revive. Then, put it into its home again and try the dip another time.
  6. If the fish is not super stressed and does not pass out, be very attentive during the recommended time in the dip as the fish may jump due to discomfort or stress. Pay close attention to how long the fish has been in the dip and do not exceed the time!
  7. Once the fish is finished, put it into the reviving station to adjust back to more normal water parameters. Then, without pouring the salty water into your tank, put the fish back into its home to recover.
 

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