Help Needed With A Tench

[Pog]

Hi All,

Can anyone tell us what this cyst-like appendage is on our Tench (indicted by the red arrow)? He (or she) is about 7 years old and approximately 23cm in length.

We have noticed that it is getting larger of late. It may be a coincidence, but he / she has been hanging around the surface of the aquarium, although not gulping at the air.

The water quality is good and as a precaution, we have treated the water with a bactericide (5th day of treatment today).

He is eating and defacating normally.

Can anyone point us in the right direction?

Many thanks (or indeed, tanks).

Ken & Debbie.

FYI;

400L tank, 2 Gold Fish (one of which is 32.5 cm) and our Tench. We now have some snails thanks to the eggs we aquired in some Canadian Pond Weed

 

[black angel]

Can you get a full side on view and a view from above if you could. Is it on the opening of the vent? The fish on the first pic looks rather square shaped to me, is that usual and have you seen its abdomen distend at all? It looks like a tumour to me.
How long has it had it and at what rate has it grown?
At that age your tench should be well over a foot long maybe even one and a half foot. It may be that the fish is stunted and that may explain the weird shape of the abdomen to me.

 

[WILDER]

Pics won't work for me here is abit of information on cyst, but i am not the writer of the information.
Myxosporidiosis



Symptoms:

Fish exhibit numerous white cysts on the skin and gills. Cysts can become very large causing the skin overlying the gills to swell, which will prevent the fish from getting enough oxygen. Because this disease affects the gills, fish may be seen at the surface, acting like they can't get enough air. In severe infestations, the fish may bloat up, with tumor-like protrusions and eventually die.



Cause:

The myxosporidean parasite Henneguya.



Treatment:

This disease is fairly difficult to treat. Increased aeration in combination with merbromin baths is the only current method for treatment.

 

[black angel]

Cant see the pics now either Wilder, but it looked like it was at or in the vent and resembled a prolapse or something pushing out. It may well be a tumour but it was white and not completely round but like something twisted. On the side view it was covered by the fishes skin so looked like a volcano really, but only a cm or so out.

 

[Pog]

Sorry Guys,

Don't know how the pics dissapeared from our server, but I will upload them again in a few minutes once I have put the arrows back.

Thanks for your help so far.

Regards,
Ken & Debbie.

 

[Pog]

Hi All,

The original pictures have been reinstated. I have included some more which may help.

Regards,
Ken & Debbie.

 

[WILDER]

Can you issolate him and try him on a bacterial med.

Some information on tumours but there is no hope if it is a tumour, fingers crossed, not the writer of this information below.
Tumors



Symptoms:

Fishes with tumors have distended bodies or lumps on the skin. Unusual growths or swellings may occur in any part of the body. If they occur in internal organs they tend to cause firm, noticeable swelling to the general body shape. Tumors are usually confined to one area of the fish but they will continue to grow over time, weakening the fish until death occurs.



Cause:

A variety of environmental factors such as chemical pollution or severe viral infections. A predisposition to tumors may be inherited from a fish's parents.



Treatment:

There is no chemical remedy for this condition. Surgical removal of tumors can be attempted, but there is a high frequency of recurrence.

 

[Pog]

We have him on bacterial meds now. This is not the first time either. Isolation isn't an option as he gets very stressed when we take him away from the others.

Do you think it may be worth seeking advice from our Vet?

 

[black angel]

Yes, if you are prepared to pay for treatment then please do, i just think theres something wrong with the whole shape of him. It does look like a tumour or some sort of prolapse/hernia of some kind to me.
I have a list here of fish vets but you will need to scroll through for someone near you if any. This was courtesy of PFK magazine.

Cheshire
Mr. D. Stanford, MVSc MRCVS; S. Billington, BVSc MSc MRCVS; K Eatwell BVCs Cert Zoo Med MRCVS, Birch Heath Veterinary Clinic, Birch Heath Road, Tarporley, Cheshire CW6 9UU. 01829 733777

Co. Durham
Mr I. Harris, Castle Veterinary Surgeons, Montalbo Road, Barnard Castle, Co. Durham DL12 8ED. 01833 637700

Essex
M.P.C. Lawton and J. Sheen, 8-12 Fitzilian Avenue, Harold Wood, Romford, Essex, RM3 0QS. 01708 384444

Fife
Equipet Veterinary Hospital, 24 Nicol Street, Kirkaldy, Fife, KY1 1NY. 01592 641333

Greater Manchester
Aidan Raftery & Molly Varga, Avian and Exotic Animal Clinic, 221 Upper Chorlton Road, Manchester M16 0DE. 0161 881 6868

Gwynedd
E. Barbour-Hill, Tan-y-coed, High Street, Penlon, Bangor, Gwynedd, Wales LL57 1PX. 01248 355674

Hampshire
Mr J. R. Chitty & Mr S. Girling, Strathmore Vet Clinic, 6 London Road, Andover, Hampshire, SP10 2PH. 01264 352323

Leicestershire
C.J.Brown, 192 London Road, Leicester, LE2 1ND 0116 254 3255/0116 288 6638

Midlothian
Exotic Animal Service, Royal School of Veterinary Studies, Hospital for Small Animals, Esater Bush Veterinary Centre, Roslin, Midlothian, EH25 9RT.
0131 650 7652/6247

Norfolk
G.D.C.Pitcher, 258 Fakenham Road, Taverham, Norwich, Norfolk, NR8 6QW. 01603 867330

Northamptonshire
A.J.C.Rhodes, Jeremy Wright, 95 Queens Park Parade, Kingsthorp, Northampton, NN2 0RZ. 01604 712070

Staffordshire
C.I.Walster, BVMS MRCVS, The Island Veterinary Associates, P.O.Box 1510, Stafford, ST17 4YQ. 01785 213383

Sussex
Andrew Ash, Grove Lodge Veterinary Hospital, Upper Brighton Road, Worthing, West Sussex BN14 9DL. 01903 234866

Tyne & Wear
Jeremy J. Horsfall, Westway Veterinary Centre, 426 West Road, Newcastle Upon Tyne NE5 2ER. 0191 274 7910

West Midlands
Broad Lane Veterinary Surgery, 255 Broad Lane, Coventry CV5 7AQ. 02476 464789
Also Branches at:
332 Radford Road, Coventry, West Midlands, CV6 3QQ. 02476 464789
287 Kenilworth Road, Balsall Common Solihull, West Midlands, 02476 464789

Mrs C. Nicholson, Regent Veterinary Group, Upper York Street, Coventry, West Midlands, CV1 3GP. 02476 225101

Yorkshire
Paul Thompson MRCVS, Salus QP Ltd, 97a Main Street, Beeford, East Yorkshire, YO25 8AY. 01262 488175

M.M. Goodman, Tim Shearman, Peter Crossan, The Minster Veterinary Practice, The Veterinary Surgery, Salisbury Road, York. YO26 4YN. 01904 643997


Please let us know what the vet says.

 

[WILDER]

Any news pog.

 

[Pog]

Hi Wilder,

We are awaiting a return call from a vet who specialises in fish. Meanwhile, we are changing the aqurium water twice a week in order to keep the Nitrate low (we live in a high Nitrate area) and keep the algae down in order to keep the Oxygen level up. Bumble spends a lot of time swimming in and out of the air line, so we thought that might help. You know what it's like, you have to feel you are doing something.

We are not entirely convinced that it is a tumour, we think (and hope) that it may be a cyst. On close examinating, it doesn't appear to have turmour like qualities.

He is still hanging around the surface with his Dorsal Fin out of the water but he is eating well and he still seems to enjoy being stroked and the contact he received whilst we were taking the photgraphs - bless.

We will keep you posted as to progress.

Regards,
Pog.

 

[Pog]

We have spoken to the specialist and we will be taking Bumble to see him at 09:00 on Thursday morning - the earliest he could see him!

Meanwhile, Bumble spends most of his time swimming in and out of the air line bubbles.

We will keep you posted.

All ideas are welcome.

 

[WILDER]

Good luck.

 

[black angel]

Once you get him sorted you should try and home him in a pond. I dont know why he is in the bubbles a lot, maybe something is irritating him.

 

[Pog]

Whilst keeping an eye on Bumble, we have noticed on both the Goldfish that they have a bump / lump in the centre of their bottom lips. On one fish it is smooth and on the other, it is nodular.

Any idea what they are and could this be related to Bumble's problem?

All suggestions / comments welcome.