Help My Tetra!

jaxz85

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Hi,

I am brand new to fish keeping! I have had my 60l tropical tank set up for 2 weeks now with some live plants and the water has been tested and was fine! So I went off today and got 5 tetra's as a wee starter to the tank. I put the bag in the tank for 20 mins then put a little of the aquarium water in the bag and left it for another 15 mins then I gently tipped the tetras in to the tank. 4 of them are fine but one seems really stressed, its not swimmng and keeps going behind my filter! I assume its the stress of 'moving house' but is there anything I can do to de stress him?

thanks

Jackie
 
Hi jaxz and welcome to the forum. :hi:

It's quite possible the fish was injured when they netted it. Happens quite often. What type tetras are they? If that is the case, there probably isn't much you can do. Just keep the lights off for the rest of the day to reduce the stress of the move.

One thing you will need to keep a really close eye on is the ammonia and nitrite levels in your tank. I know you said the water had been tested but basically, you are testing tap water as there have been no fish in the water to create ammonia. With fish in the tank, you will start to see ammonia (and later nitrite) build until the beneficial bacteria colony can develop to process these toxins.

Do you have your own test kit (liquid is best as strips are terribly inaccurate and more expensive in the long run)? If not, I would suggest that you get one ASAP. You need a master kit that tests ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH. epending on where you are located, it will run about $25-$30.

Test daily and do water changes as needed to keep ammonia and nitrite at a maximum of .25 ppm. Here is a good thread on cycling the tank with fish in it.
 
Thanks for that! They are just Neon tetras, I was told that these are pretty hardy little starters!

Ill have a read at it, I have already used some live bactreia in the form of 'sure start' and I have been feeding the empty tank for a week. I though this would have made sure that the filter is working properly? I have bought a testing kit and I will check it everyday! If it gets high at all is that the time to do a water change in the next few weeks? I was nievely thinking that will 5 small neon tetras that they would not produce that much waste! Ill keep an eye on it and hope that I master it! But I will be back on if I get stuck!

Thanks again :good:
 
neons are not great starter fish, they are one of the most delicate species of tetra, that need a mature tank 6 months +, i strongly advise you dont buy any more.

you will need to be doing daily water changes for 3 or 4 weeks, to keep the ammonia and nitrite down until the bacteria have grown which convert ammonia to nitrite and nitrite to nitrate
 
As to their hardiness, it really depends on where you are and where the fish shop is getting them from. In my area, they ones the stores have are extremely hardy. Cardinals (which is what I really wanted and generally considered much more hardy than neons), on the other hand, are so bad that they shops won't even stock them because of the loss rate.

Using the bacteria in a bottle products is pretty much a waste. They do little to no good in the cycling process. Most contain the wrong bacteria (if they contain any live bacteria at all) and are pretty much a waste of money. They won't hurt anything but most likely won't help either. Feeding some flakes will help create some ammonia for the bacteria to start building but it usually takes at least 2 weeks and more normally 3 to 4 weeks for a tank to cycle.

You are correct in thinking that the neons won't produce a lot of waste. It's quite possible that you will get more ammonia build-up from over feeding than their waste. make sure you only feed what they can eat in about 3 minutes and if there is any left, vacuum it out.

Once you see a reading for ammonia, you are correct that it is time for a water change. Once the tank is cycled, there should be no ammonia or nitrite present.
 
Oh no! Now I m worried! The girl in the shop told me that they would be good as a first fish! So im not amused!

I put in Tetra 'SafeStart' last weekend. I asked about cycling in the shop and they gave me this and said that it would help. It says on the bottle that it 'enables a safe aquarium start' on the back of the bottle it says

'Enables immediate aquarium start: Tetra SafeStart contains specially grown live nitrifying bacteria that biologically activates aquariums. Tetra safestart is proven to safely reduce toxic ammonia and nitrite. Also use to replace bacteria after water changes and all bacteria losses.'

I have also been feeding the tank and the readings on the water testing kit have been fine. :sad:

Great start! :no:
 
Unfortunately, the people in the shops give some of the worst advice imaginable, especially if it's a pet store that happens to sell fish. Even true fish stores aren't that great with the advice they give. If you keep the water quality where it should be the neons will probably be fine.

As for SafeStart (or any bacteria in a bottle products), they claim to contain this bacteria but without a food source, ie. ammonia, then they would start to die off immediately after being placed in the bottle. Not to mention the temperature extremes these products go through during shipment and storage. In the summer, the inside of a trailer can easily reach 120F or higher. Warehouses are the same, especially the closer to the ceiling you get. And then in the winter, it's in the other direction.

Even the bottle tells you to do something that is totally unnecessary. Using it after a water change is not necessary since there are no (or only miniscule amounts) of nitrifying bacteria present in the water column. Nitrifying bacteria are attached to everything in the tank but mainly, the vast majority are in/on the filter/media. That is where the most food is present as ammonia & nitrite are passed through the filter. Obviously, in a cycled tank you would not ever see measurable amounts of those toxins but there is always a very small amount.

The only way you every really suffer a bacteria loss is if you do something to the filter such as changing media (if you have carbon in your filter now, replace it with some other media as soon as possible) or if you have a hang on back filter, changing the filter pack or treat with a medication that kills the bacteria colony. So they are telling you to use their product at a time when it s totally unnecessary (just like filter companies tell you to change the filter every 2 weeks).

I mentioned carbon. It is primarily a mechanical filter. Most of us only use it to remove medications from the tank after treatment. Some don't even do that and simply do extra wter changes to dilute it. It really becomes saturated in anywhere from a day to a couple weeks and isnt doing anything for the tank other than providing a home for the bacteria. When you change it, you basically are throwing your biological filter away and putting your tank in a mini-cycle. And when you have to treat a tank, you have to remove it, putting the tank in a mini-cycle at a time that you least need to have water quality issues.

Last but not least, you mentioned that the test results have been fine. Do you mean that ammonia and nitrite hae both been zero nything other than that isn't fine even though some test kits list what that call a "safe" range. Any measurable amount of ammonia or nitrite is dangerous.
 
Thanks very much for getting back to me, with a lengthy reply!

I have API 5 in 1 test strips, they test for : General hardness, Carbonate hardness, PH, Nitrite and Nitrate.

Both the Nitrite and the Nitrate were at 0. The PH was a little high last week and I put in some 'ph down' and now it is also neutral. Will I have to buy a separate ammonia testing kit?

Thanks again.

Jac
 
You will need an ammonia test kit. It baffles me why the strips don't have one as that is the first toxin present in the tank and can start causing problems way before nitrite ever shows up. Personally, I would just go ahead and buy the mster kit. You probably won't pay much more for it than ou will the ammonia strips and it will last you for a long time. For about $30, the liquids will allow you to run hundreds of tests while for about the same price, you will get about 25 tests.

As mentioned, stay away from the pH adjusters. They offer little more than a temporary fix and will keep your pH in a constant up and down swing. Most fish can easily adapt to a pH that is outside their optimal range (wha was the pH). A stable pH is much more important than trying to get it to their optimal. Also, the pH is directly related to the hardness. If the carbonate hardness (KH - buffering capacity) is high, it is extremely hard to move the pH enough to matter. And as a rule, GH (general hardness) KH and pH run hand in hand in that if one is high, they all are high. There are exceptions but that is the norm.
 
tbh i had the same problem, they seemed to hover around the filter, next thing they went and i lost 4!!! found them sucked in tot back of the filter!!

i was always told to try black tetra are hardy fish, and only about 70-80p each so not much lost if they die
 
i was also misold neon tetras .the people at lfs said good fish to start off with but after visiting here i have found out this is not the case.however my neons are doing very well thankfully.i only got 3 of them at the start which also turned out to not be the best advice as they like to shoal and i need at least 6 apparently.however the neons have since teamed up with my white cloud minnows which incidently are a good starting fish but need to be kept in shoals of 6 or more.
i would suggest as op have that a liquid based test kit is essential and to regularly test the water at a guess i,d say every day for the fist month or i may be wrong but that is what i am doing at the moment.
my parameters are as follows
ph 7.5
nitrite 0ppm
ammonia 0ppm
nitrate 5ppm but it has never gone above this.
 
Well all seems ok so far!

I have 5 now and they have settled down, so bad starter fish or not they are still alive! They havent eaten this morning and I left the food for about 4 mins, but since they didnt eat it I took it back out and I am going to try them again soon.

Thanks for the advice, Im sure they will be fine! (Im hoping!)

:good:
 

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