Hair Algae?

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So ive noticed in my reef tank some algae growing on my rocks which resembles moss. its green and clumby, i know it cant be good, but just wonderin what the correct ID of it would be, how to get rid of it, and how it could have gotten there? thx
 
So ive noticed in my reef tank some algae growing on my rocks which resembles moss. its green and clumby, i know it cant be good, but just wonderin what the correct ID of it would be, how to get rid of it, and how it could have gotten there? thx

Dunno what it is, sorry, but have you checked your phosphates?
 
i checked out the hitchhiker link i got from this site (the coolest link ever), and its not byropsis. it looks to me like its hair algae in the making, so whats the best way of removing it? it seems that in the past month ive had to overcome every algae problem known to the tank world, and it hasnt been fun. i also seem to have the cyanobacteria in just one section of my tank. ive been using red slime, but even then it isnt doin anything. it disappears at night, but then reappears int he morning. any ideas? could outside light have an effect? hope for some responses thx
 
Well forgive me if I'm re-hashing something you've done before, but a few questions:

How much/often do you feed?
Do you gravel vac?
Whats your flowrate like?
Do you monitor nitrates and phosphates and if so what are their numbers?
Whats your pH, alkalinity, and calcium like?
How often/much do you water change?
Do you skim?
Do you run any phosphate media, if so which types?

I went through a hair algae and byropsis period after my canobacteria got out-competed. Found out phosphates were my problem. Took me probably 2 months to get over the hair algae problem once I had it diagnosed and really took the proper steps to stop it. Now my tank is mercifully hair algae free, so theres hope :good:
 
heres the answers to your ?s ski:
1. i feed 2-3 a week
2.no
3. 700gph
4.only off what i get on my test strips, thats all i have at the moment. and they show good readings, or what i hope
5.ph, alk same as above, calcium not sure i have a test kit but i always seem to have high high readings of calcium yet have no additives or anything
6.usually every3-4 weeks
7.no

well hope from here i can get some help, since this is the only place where i get reliable info. thx
 
one other thing, the way my powerhead is situated, it flows through the entire tank perfect, but gives very to no movement to the water surface. is this not good? or should i think about maybe something to move the surface a little?
 
one other thing, the way my powerhead is situated, it flows through the entire tank perfect, but gives very to no movement to the water surface. is this not good? or should i think about maybe something to move the surface a little?

As long as your pH is in line and you dont have a thick film of crud on the surface preventing light from penetrating downwards you should be fine.

Hair algae has very few requirements for growth. Really the big two are light and nutrients. Without one or the other it will eventually perish and since removing light from the tank will cause many other desireable organisms to depart our company, we have to concentrate on nutrients. Hair algae's main food as you probably know is phosphate. In the presence of phosphates, hair algae can and does easily gain a foothold on the aquarium. Once present, it will fix just about any new phosphates it can get its hairs on for added grwoth.

The next obvious question is how does phosphate get into my tank? Typically it is from food directly or from dissolved organic compounds from uneaten food that break down and release phosphorous groups. Feeding less or different foods to decrease phosphorous input is sometimes an option but again, we want to keep our fish alive and you are allready feeding very little. Another source for phosphates is from uneaten foods in the sand bed rotting away and releasing phosphate groups. And dont forget, once hair algae gets a foothold, it will remove free phosphates very quickly from the water column and will ususally keep free levels in the 0.1ppm or less range making it practically un-detectable by our test kits.

Were you to find some method (which to my knowledge doesnt exhist) that would selectively kill all hair algae your problem would still return. Remember, as the hair algae absorbs phosphorous from the water column it fixes it within its tissues, so killing it or having something else eat it does NOT remove the phosphorous, it just puts it in a different place. It is for this reason that a good quality phosphate remover is a requirement in tanks with even light or moderate fish loads to remove phosphorous from the water column.

Now your system is full of phosphate (either bound up in plant tissue, or sitting in the substrate) so I'd reccomend first, getting a good quality phosphate remover and putting it in say a very small HOB, even one sized appropriately for a nano if you like. I'm a big fan of rowaphos since it does not release phosphates back into the water column once spent, and it lasts a long time. Its a very fire-and-forget solutoin which is always best. After that, I'd reccomend getting started on substrate vaccuming every time you waterchange. This will help remove extra phosphates before they can get into the water column. Your final course of action could consist of a predator to "speed up" the process but remember, they just re-cycle the nutrient, a phosphate remover will still be required. There are a handful of hair algae predators each with their drawbacks:

Sea Hare - Eats great, will get stuck in powerheads without inlet foam and can over-predate and perish from lack of nutrients once their job is done
Sea Urchin - Eats great, also eats perhaps desireable coralline algae and can topple lightly-secured rockwork
Mexican Turbo Snail - Eats SLOWLY and can also topple rockwork
Lettuce Nudibranch - Eats SLOWLY and can also get stuck in a powerhead like sea hares
Algae Blenny - Eats great, but can over-predate, starve and die
Hectors Goby/Rainsford Goby - Eats slowly and can over-predate. Usually these guys also accept dried algae like nori though if you want to keep them.

So, in review, phopshate remover, gravel vac, and have faith. It took me a couple months to truly put an end to the hostilities in the great algal wars but eventually those methods won out. If I beat it, you can too :good:
 
ok then ill be goin to my LFS today for sure to get a phosphate remover, (ill keep an eye out for rowaphos), a gravel vaccuum, and maybe a predator. now with the urchins, since i seem to read a lot about them, i know about the corraline algae deal and all, but if i have no coralline algae, besides the algae on the glass, what else can they be fed with? i think urhcins are awesome and would look cool in the tank. any suggestions on one good for a reef tank, and or, can eat additional foods? thx for the help ski
 
Tuxedo urchins are my favorite :blush: and one's going in my mantis nano tank. They can be fed with plain old seaweed for sushi, or you can spend the extra money and buy Nori. I'd just buy the cheapo stuff, most asian markets carry it.
 
ok ill check em out. went to the LFS today, and bought some phosphate remover, and started using it today. i woulda bought a vaccuum then i though about it and realized, it would be kinda hard for sand. i dont have gravel, so that wouldnt work. but ive been doing some RO water changes cuz the salinity is a little high. so hopefully ill be gettin good results soon. thanks again ski
 
I'd highly recommend Rowaphos. Its suggested that you run rowaphos in the tank from day 1 so that algae doesn't get a foothold.

Personally I've done that and have no algae problems (touch wood) except diatoms which isn't bad and the CUC are dealing with that. My phosphate levels have always been 0.

As ski said, it lasts ages and you don't need much, and it doesn't release the phosphates back into the water.

Advert over :good:
 
ok so u guyz recomment rowaphos, what is that exactly? im not sure if its a liquid item or something else Im looking for. the item i bought was Blue Life Phosphate Control, was told its one of the best on the market. but let me know, im open for anything that helps kill algae especially now cuz its killing my tank's look and beauty. thx
 
Never heard of that blue life phosphate control stuff. What color is it? If its white granular its probably a ceramic based chemical binder. They work, but can leech phosphates back into the aquarium after about a week. Rowaphos is a sediment type filter with granules a bit thinner than typical agragonite sand. I just put two tablespoons in my HOB compartment and let it do its thing :D
 

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