Guppy Poo (?) Problems And Neon Tetra White Spots

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We have had our water tested by the fish store a million times, and they say it's fine. We also have a 6 in 1 kit for the house, and everything is fine with that too. We have a 63 litre tank. We do not have any artificial plants/rocks. All real. The people in our fish store keep saying our water is fine and there's no need to worry. But obviously, we have to worry because we've already had 3 fish die on us and 1 near-death. I would really appreciate some advice, please. Thanks.

Problem 1:
We had 1 male and 3 females, and this is the 3rd day we have had them. They were all fine on the first day, but on the second day, I saw that the male was hiding behind the plants, sitting on the gravel. When he got up, I saw (what looked like) poo hanging from underneath him. It was short, brown and a little bit thick. A little later on, I saw more stringy stuff hanging from him. It was white and trailed behind him when he chose to swim. I also noticed, that when he swims, it's like he is shivering/shaking, and not swimming all flowy like the other guppies. He was eating fine.

Today, the male didn't eat and has been sitting in front of the log we have in the middle of the tank all day. Just lying on top of the gravel.

Also, today, I noticed that one of the females had a long thin stringy thing coming from underneath it whenever she swam. It was white-ish at the top. Then browny-red at the end. Looked gross. However, when I fed the fish, she was there with the other fish (minus the male) rushing to eat the food, still with that random stuff coming out of her. About half hour after she had eaten, I noticed the trail had disappeared and there was just a really short white string coming out of her instead. She was swimming fine.

However, a few hours ago, she started alternating between sitting on the gravel and hovering all around the tank, blowing bubbles at the surface of the water. An hour ago, Coincidentally about a minute before we were going to go to the fish store to see what's going on in my tank, my sister saw the female fish was dead, which I did not believe at first as she was alive the last time I looked (and I look at the tank so often it's stupid). But she was lying there, colourless, not breathing at all.

Problem 2 (currently being resolved):
We have 4 neon tetras. Yesterday, I saw that one of them looked kind of dusty, and when I managed to look a bit closely at it, it looked like white spots (which I have read a bit about). Today, it looks like that fish has even more spots on it now, however, he is not acting like anything is wrong with him. In fact, he seems like the happiest fish in the tank. Today, I've also noticed that another tetra has started to get those white spots too. We have now bought white spot treatment and have put them into the tank.

Questions:
How did the female guppy die before the male, when the male seems to have been suffering for longer? What causes the problems that my guppies were/are having? What causes the problem that my tetras are having? How can these issues be prevented?

Background information:
My tank has been up and running for probably just over 5 weeks now. In the 3rd week, we originally bought 2 (male) dwarf gouramis and 4 neon tetras. 1 tetra started being a loner, didn't eat etc, died within about 4 days. Then, literally the day after that, another tetra started being a loner, not eating etc, died after about 3 days. All other fish were fine, except for the gouramis who fought alot. We had one really aggressive one who picked on the other gourami, so the other one hid alot and didn't eat. One morning, went downstairs to feed the fish and found the non-aggressive one vertical, face down in the gravel behind the filter (how, I have no idea!) We nudged the filter so we could try remove the 'dead' fish. Only, he wasn't dead, he magically started trying to swim. So, he was alive, but kept lying on the ground, wasn't able to swim properly, but he lasted the whole night. The next day, we decided to take BOTH gouramis back, and we hadn't had them for long. As a replacement, we bought 1 male guppy, 3 female guppies and 2 more neon tetras for the remaining two tetras to play with...
 
Guppies are notoriously week due to inbreeding. Very few people can actually keep farmed guppies alive. If you are determined to keep guppies, you are best off looking for a reputable breeder.

Same for neons, except the advice here is to buy cardinals instead.

Male gouramis are aggressive and will fight, that is why they should rarely be kept in the same tank.

Did you cycle your tank? If not, the problems are partially caused by an un-cycled filter. If your filter is not cycled, the shop has been lying about the water readings to you. You really should be a liquid test kit for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH and hardness: it might explain some of your problems. Ammonia and nitrite over 0.25ppm will harm fish permanently.

You didn't mention the tank size, what is it?

My advice for now is to keep treating for white spot and do a large (50-70%+) water change between each set of treatment.
 
Male gouramis are aggressive and will fight, that is why they should rarely be kept in the same tank.

I know. The shop said they would be fine and won't cause problems, and I didn't actually know that they were both male until we took them back, otherwise, I wouldn't have bought two males.

Did you cycle your tank? If not, the problems are partially caused by an un-cycled filter. If your filter is not cycled, the shop has been lying about the water readings to you. You really should be a liquid test kit for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH and hardness: it might explain some of your problems. Ammonia and nitrite over 0.25ppm will harm fish permanently.

The store that we go to is just useless. No help at all. We are going to a different store tomorrow (the same store that we got this white spot treatment from), and they will test our water for us tomorrow.

You didn't mention the tank size, what is it?

I did mention the size (63 litres) in the first paragraph, but guess it was overshadowed by my long post.

Thank you very much for your response and advice. The fish store has told us not to change the water until we have had fish for a total of 4 weeks. This is only like 2.5 weeks since we put any fish in.
 
Did you cycle your tank? If not, the problems are partially caused by an un-cycled filter. If your filter is not cycled, the shop has been lying about the water readings to you. You really should be a liquid test kit for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH and hardness: it might explain some of your problems. Ammonia and nitrite over 0.25ppm will harm fish permanently.

The store that we go to is just useless. No help at all. We are going to a different store tomorrow (the same store that we got this white spot treatment from), and they will test our water for us tomorrow.
OK, that's good. Please make sure to write down the exact readings.. for example, 20ppm nitrate, pH 7.2, etc

You didn't mention the tank size, what is it?

I did mention the size (63 litres) in the first paragraph, but guess it was overshadowed by my long post.
Sorry, my bad.. bed time.


Thank you very much for your response and advice. The fish store has told us not to change the water until we have had fish for a total of 4 weeks. This is only like 2.5 weeks since we put any fish in.
Ayayay! Not good. Yes, that will cycle your filter but that will also kill off your fish. I strongly recommend you start doing 50% water changes every day starting from now and feed the fish only every other day.
 
Ayayay! Not good. Yes, that will cycle your filter but that will also kill off your fish. I strongly recommend you start doing 50% water changes every day starting from now and feed the fish only every other day.
Thank you. This might be a stupid question, so sorry if it is, but do I dechlorinate before putting the water in, or after?
 
Before.. you don't want to expose your filter to any chlorine nor chloramine. There's no such thing as a silly question :)
 
Thank you so much. I really appreciate the time you took to answer my questions!
 
No problem and good luck, let us know how you get on tomorrow! ^_^ Bed time for me now..
 
I went to the pet store today, and they tested our water. They said everything was fine. They said just keep treating for the white spot problem and do a 20% water change weekly.

The white spots on the neons are disappearing, so that's good. The male guppy is still being boring but, he's still living... not eating though, so, I'm a bit worried about that.

I will do a water change on Saturday and see if that helps any.
 
I went to the pet store today, and they tested our water. They said everything was fine. They said just keep treating for the white spot problem and do a 20% water change weekly.
Seriously, get them to write down the readings on a bit of paper for you. The chances of the readings being "fine" is 1 in a 1000 for your tank right now.

Only this week (and I don't read every thread on this forum), I have seen 5 instances where what a shop calls "good readings"/"everything is fine" they actually meant "your tank is a toxic soup and it's killing your fish very fast".. keeping that in mind, I have not seen a single one (this week) where "everything is fine" meant "everything is fine".

It really would be so much easier if you got your own liquid test kit.. then you could test the water every day until the tank is cycled :)
 
It really would be so much easier if you got your own liquid test kit.. then you could test the water every day until the tank is cycled[unquote]

it will save you money in
the long run and piece of mind
 
It really would be so much easier if you got your own liquid test kit.. then you could test the water every day until the tank is cycled :)

Do you mean the thing where the stick the strip in the tank and compare the colours of each spot? We bought a 6 in 1 testing kit.
 
It really would be so much easier if you got your own liquid test kit.. then you could test the water every day until the tank is cycled :)

Do you mean the thing where the stick the strip in the tank and compare the colours of each spot? We bought a 6 in 1 testing kit.

there no good there not
accurate you really need a
liquid test kit like the
API freshwater master test kit
there about £30 + in the shops
but you can get them cheaper on
eBay i picked mine up for £15
plus the p&p
 

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