Goldfish in a community tank?

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Well, I have this goldfish in this ~1 gallon tank but my dad and I recently set up a 55 gallon tank and was wondering if the goldfish would go well with other fish or if I should just keep it seperate. The other fish we're planning to get include 1 crowntail betta, tetras, a gourami or 2, guppies, and MAYBE loaches. I hear loaches grow to almost a foot long and I'm not sure if a 55 gallon tank is enough.
 
hi and welcome to the forum!
goldfish and tropicals cant be kept tgether because

1.they need diffrent water temps
2.The goldies have a slime that is poizon to tropical fish
3.the goldfish get HUGE and will eat all the others thatll fit in their mouths

goldfidh need a tank of 10gall ons at least,it will have a stunted growth and die a painful death.Mabe buy a cheap 10gal or think about getting him rehomed to a friend with a pond?
if u have the 1gal spare after you can think about putting in a suitable fish,such as a betta!
 
germanshepherdlver said:
2.The goldies have a slime that is poizon to tropical fish
GSL, I thought it was decided in this thread that this was an unfounded myth and there is no truth in that statement whatsoever ??

Apart from that, I do agree that goldfish and tropicals should not be kept together.
 
just to be different, i kept a 6 inch goldfish with two similar sized silver sharks for a couple of years before i had to find new homes for them.
i dont think goldies should be kept with fish under 5 inches but they can be kept with fish that can grow just as fast as they can.
 
The main reason for not keeping goldfish and tropicals together is the temperature - goldfish live in cold water - tropicals in warmer water. Keeping goldfish in warm water will speed up their metabolism leading them to an earlier death. Their body structure is designed for cold water.
 
bloozoo2 said:
germanshepherdlver said:
2.The goldies have a slime that is poizon to tropical fish
GSL, I thought it was decided in this thread that this was an unfounded myth and there is no truth in that statement whatsoever ??

Apart from that, I do agree that goldfish and tropicals should not be kept together.
:thumbs: ok then i musnt ov seen that sorrry
 
Everything I have read suggests not keeping goldfish with tropical fish for this important reason: goldfish produce WAY more ammonia than most tropical fish. This means that the goldfish DO "poison" the other fish, but it has nothing to do with slime and everything to do about DOO.

Some people manage keeping golfish with tropical fish because they clean their tanks A LOT. But I wouldn't recommend this, since where you can change a goldfish's water weekly, doing water changes that much in a tropical tank might stress the fish out.

Also, goldfish typically get pretty big (at least 5 inches, though comets can get about 14 inches and orandas can get around 10). And big fish eat little fish, so a lot of community tropicals are out of luck there.

moral of the story: Don't Do It! ;)
 
Apart from everything others have already mentioned on not keeping goldfish with tropical fish or in too smaller tanks, i have some pointers on your tropical selection of fish;
a. Keeping male bettas with guppys is not a good idea, more than often the betta will attack and kill the guppy due its bright colors or the guppy will become aggressive towards the betta and nip its long flowing fins, so a very risky mix and not advised as it most often ends in tradegy.
b. male bettas do not make good community fish or do well in large strongly filtered tanks, tetras are also agressive towards bettas. With female bettas you can be more flexable with them in community setups- they generally lack the long flowing fins of male bettas which usually cause so many issues for the males and the females can also live together if kept in groups of 5 or larger- you cannot mix male and female bettas together, males and males or females together safely in small groups.
c. The loach you are referring too i think is a clown loach- yes these fish do grow to over a foot long and it is posible to have one or 2 in a 55gallon but this isn't totally advised and it also depends alot what the tanks dimensions are too i.e how tall and long it is etc.
d. As for guppys, these fish belong to the livebearer group of fish which include mollys, swordtails and platys amoung others and they do have a reputation to breed on a regular basis- female guppys can store sperm for up to 7 pregnancys so even if you have an all female group they can still produce offspring and a single female can have up to 30+ fry(baby fish) once a month.
If you go for a mixed gender group you will need to get the gender the ratio right for it to work successfully and not have over-aggression and harrassment to each other- idealy you want 1male per 2-3 females(this goes for all livebearers apart from swordtails where it is near imposible to have 2 males living in the same tank without them fighting no matter how many females you get), although you need to increase the female ratio by one for every extra male you add after one.
You can keep also guppys in all-male groups but these tend to have issues.

If you realy want the male betta(no matter what type), i suggest you get him his own 5gallon tank for himself to live in.
Have you heard of cycling tanks? i suggest you do a fishless cycle in your new tank and there is alot of info on how to go about this in the pinned articles at the top of the beginner section of the forum- cycling a tank is a very important step towards keeping healthy and happy fish.
Apart from heating, lighting and a adequete filter for the tank, i realy advise you buy some test kits that test for ammonia, nitrate and nitrites as this vital in maintaining good water quality, and good water quality can make the difference between a dead fish and a sick fish and it is very easy to mess up; test kits are the only way to actually know for sure what is going on in your water quality.

As for gourami's, these realy aern't my area of knolege but i know they are a very varied group of fish with a large range of temperments and alot of how well they fit into community setup is based on what type of gourami they are, so you will need to find what type you are interested in to know wether it is suitable for the tank and what types of fish to live with.
 
Javentule said:
But I wouldn't recommend this, since where you can change a goldfish's water weekly, doing water changes that much in a tropical tank might stress the fish out.
Weekly water changes will stress tropical fish out ?
Unless you mean 100% water changes, I don't agree with that at all.
In fact it's definitely necessary to do at least 20% !
 
Unfortunatly no because of the reasons abouth but i agree that would be cool
 

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