Go PETA!

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gaya said:
Dwarf_Dude said:
wow, they're doing things against aqua babies and painting/dying fish!

http://www.peta.org/feat/aquab/index.html

DD
I can only imagine the harassment they lay on the suppliers and distrubutors of aquababies and similar products. Makes me think of Bettamomma on steroids. :flex:
AAaah!
:lol:

Just for the record - I'm going to put this out there in case anyone ever goes digging into my past... lol

You won't believe this but...
back when I was a college student, I worked at a bar. One of the guys who came into the bar ALL the time asked me if I wanted an extra part time job for the summer and of COURSE I did... Can you guess what it was?

Yeah... it was setting up little AquaBaby tanks. At the time I thought it was so fun to pick out the rock colors, and then scoop up a little fish that matched the (SUPER sharp edged GLASS) rocks in the tank. He had bought into the franchise and he got FILTHY rich off it. And I am now ashamed to say I helped him do that. :X Don't hold it against me!

I actually had AquaBabies myself - I took the sharp rocks out after a while, and they actually lived to be a couple years old.

And YAY to PETA. I agree with all of you in that they're complete psychotic nuts who go overboard MOST of the time, but at least they're another well-known voice being active in the fight for bettas. And heck, if having them on our side means that people are just petrified to stand up to PETA so they comply with their wishes, more power to all of us! :thumbs:
 
Personally, I adore PETA and all they stand for. If it wasn't for them then I never would've knows how horrible the animals die in slaughterhouses, not to mention just what the meat and milk does to your body. That they're speaking out for bettas now is fantastic. :kana:

I know there are a lot of people that think PETA's to forward and as BettaMomma said, psychotic, but that's how they get things done. Ingrid Newkirk herself put it simply: The press are like your cat. If you speak seriously to them then they pay you absolutely no mind, but if you waggle your fingers under the door, they know its just your fingers but they have to come over and have a look. By using humor and being provocative, we get people who wouldn't normally care, to take a look.


I'm not trying to argue, but you're going to accomplish more if you take a nice loud stand against betta mistreatment and keep on them about it. (Eh, BettaMoma?)
 
3neko said:
Personally, I adore PETA and all they stand for.
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People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals provides aid and comfort for the Earth Liberation Front (ELF) and the Animal Liberation Front (ALF). The two groups are responsible for more than 600 crimes since 1996, causing (by a very conservative FBI estimate) more than $43 million in damage. ALF’s “press office” brags that in 2002, the two groups committed “100 illegal direct actions” -- like blowing up SUVs, destroying the brakes on seafood delivery trucks, and planting firebombs in restaurants.

The FBI calls ALF and ELF the nation’s “most serious domestic terrorism threat.” Bruce Friedrich, PETA’s “vegan campaign director” and third-in-command, didn’t seem to care when he addressed the Animal Rights 2001 convention in Virginia, telling a crowd of over 1,000 activists that “blowing stuff up and smashing windows” is “a great way to bring about animal liberation.”

“It would be great,” he added, “if all the fast-food outlets, slaughterhouses, these laboratories and the banks who fund them exploded tomorrow.”

PETA’s connections to ALF and ELF are indisputable. “We did it, we did it. We gave $1,500 to the ELF for a specific program,” PETA’s Lisa Lange admitted on the Fox News Channel. PETA has offered no fewer than eight different explanations of what the “specific program” was, but law enforcement leaders have noted that since the Earth Liberation Front is a criminal enterprise, it has absolutely no legal “programs” of any kind.

For instance, in 2003, ELF set fire to an unfinished, 200 unit condominium complex near San Diego. The arson caused $50 million in damage, and according to a San Diego Fire Captain: “It could have killed someone.” ELF left its calling card in the form of a twelve foot sign that read: “If you build it -- we will burn it -- the ELF’s are mad.”

PETA also has given $2,000 to David Wilson, then a national ALF “spokesperson.” The group paid $27,000 for the legal defense of Roger Troen, who was arrested for taking part in an October 1986 burglary and arson at the University of Oregon. It gave $7,500 to Fran Stephanie Trutt, who tried to murder the president of a medical laboratory. It gave $5,000 to Josh Harper, who attacked Native Americans on a whale hunt by throwing smoke bombs, shooting flares, and spraying their faces with chemical fire extinguishers. All of these monies were paid out of tax-exempt funds, the same pot of money constantly enlarged by donations from an unsuspecting general public.

PETA president Ingrid Newkirk is also an acknowledged financial supporter of a publication called No Compromise. This periodical operates on behalf of the radicals of ALF, and often publishes underground “communiqués” and calls to arms from ALF leaders.

Most ominously, PETA president Ingrid Newkirk was involved in the multi-million-dollar arson at Michigan State University that resulted in a 57-month prison term for Animal Liberation Front bomber Rodney Coronado. At Coronado’s sentencing hearing, U.S. Attorney Michael Dettmer said that PETA’s Ingrid Newkirk arranged ahead of time to have Coronado send her a pair of FedEx packages from Michigan -- one on the day before he burned the lab down, and the other shortly afterward.

The first FedEx, according to the Sentencing Memorandum, was delivered to a woman named Maria Blanton, “a longtime PETA member who had agreed to accept the first Federal Express package from Coronado after being asked to do so by Ingrid Newkirk.” The FBI intercepted the second package, which had been sent to the same address. It contained documents that Coronado stole before lighting his firebombs, as well as “a videotape of the perpetrator of the MSU crime, disguised in a ski mask.” Since Coronado was convicted of the arson, we now know that he himself was that masked man. “Significantly,” wrote U.S. Attorney Dettmer, “Newkirk had arranged to have the package delivered to her days before the MSU arson occurred.” (emphasis in the original)

A search warrant executed at Blanton’s home turned up evidence that PETA’s other co-founder, Alex Pacheco, had also been planning burglaries and break-ins along with Rodney Coronado. The feds seized “surveillance logs; code names for Coronado, Pacheco, and others; burglary tools; two-way radios; night vision goggles; [and] phony identification for Coronado and Pacheco.”

Shortly after Coronado’s arrest, PETA gave $45,200 to his “support committee” and “loaned” $25,000 to his father (the loan was never repaid and PETA hasn’t complained). Now free from jail, with an expired parole, and with the benefit of an expired Statute of Limitations on his many earlier arsons (to which he readily confesses in his standard stump speech), Coronado stood before a crowd of hundreds of young people at American University in January 2003 and demonstrated how to turn a milk jug into a bomb. A few days later, ALF criminals tried to burn down a McDonald’s restaurant in Chico, California, using a firebomb that matched Coronado’s recipe.

The following month, Ingrid Newkirk told ABC News that Rodney Coronado is “a fine young man.”

Newkirk wrote a book called Free the Animals! The Untold Story of the U.S. Animal Liberation Front and Its Founder, ‘Valerie.’ In it she writes: “The ALF has, over the years, trusted People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) to receive copies of the evidence of wrongdoing … I have also become somewhat used to jumping on a plane with copies of freshly purloined documents and hurriedly calling news conferences to discuss the ALF’s findings.” Indeed, PETA has held such press conferences just hours after ALF arsons and other break-ins.

PETA has published a leaflet called “Animal Liberation Front: the Army of the Kind.” In another pamphlet, “Activism and the Law,” PETA openly offers advice on “burning a laboratory building.”

“I will be the last person to condemn ALF,” says Newkirk. And in another interview: “I find it small wonder that the laboratories aren’t all burning to the ground. If I had more guts, I’d light a match.” In ALF’s publication Bite Back (yes, this terrorist group has a newsletter), Newkirk has said: “You can’t have all politeness and patience, all potlucks and epistles … Some people will never budge unless [they are] pushed to budge.”

Perhaps Newkirk’s most telling comment, though, came in a 2002 U.S. News & World Report feature. “Our nonviolent tactics are not as effective,” she admitted. “We ask nicely for years and get nothing. Someone makes a threat, and it works.”
 
Hypocrisy is the mother of all credibility problems, and People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) has it in spades. While loudly complaining about the "unethical" treatment of animals by restaurant owners, grocers, farmers, scientists, anglers, and countless other Americans, the group has its own dirty little secret.

PETA kills animals. By the thousands.

From July 1998 through the end of 2003, PETA killed over 10,000 dogs, cats, and other "companion animals" -- at its Norfolk, Virginia headquarters. That's more than five defenseless animals every day. Not counting the dogs and cats PETA spayed and neutered, the group put to death over 85 percent of the animals it took in during 2003 alone. And its angel-of-death pattern shows no sign of changing.

On its 2002 federal income-tax return, PETA claimed a $9,370 write-off for a giant walk-in freezer, the kind most people use as a meat locker or for ice-cream storage. But animal-rights activists don't eat meat or dairy foods. So far, the group hasn't confirmed the obvious -- that it's using the appliance to store the bodies of its victims.

In 2000, when the Associated Press first noted PETA's Kervorkian-esque tendencies, PETA president Ingrid Newkirk complained that actually taking care of animals costs more than killing them. "We could become a no-kill shelter immediately," she admitted.

PETA kills animals. Because it has other financial priorities.

PETA raked in nearly $29 million last year in income, much of it raised from pet owners who think their donations actually help animals. Instead, the group spends huge sums on programs equating people who eat chicken with Nazis, scaring young children away from drinking milk, recruiting children into the radical animal-rights lifestyle, and intimidating businessmen and their families in their own neighborhoods. PETA has also spent tens of thousands of dollars defending arsonists and other violent extremists.

PETA claims it engages in outrageous media-seeking stunts "for the animals." But which animals? Carping about the value of future two-piece dinners while administering lethal injections to puppies and kittens isn't ethical. It's hypocritical -- with a death toll that PETA would protest if it weren't their own doing.

PETA kills animals. And its leaders dare lecture the rest of us.
 
bkk_group said:
PETA kills animals. And its leaders dare lecture the rest of us.
Hmmm shall i take a wild guess that you googled and went to the CCF web site and/or one of their affiliates. That’s some thorough research there! Bravo. :lol:
 
I thought we were talking about how they now provide some decent fact sheets about bettas...not for what else they stand for :blink: :rolleyes:
 
True. I don't know every dirty thing about peta but I think they achieve what other ppl don't have the nerve to do. I believe there's a good and bad side to every story. For the animal rescue we run they donated over $90 is literature, posters, stickers and other useful information of what we requested free of charge b/c we are also helping animals and wanting to promote animal advice. I think that atleast shows some compassion of what they stand for.
I'm just happy bettas are finally getting support. Didn't want to start WW3 :X
 
You are certainly not starting ww3. It’s unfortunate that many fall prey to the CCF and it doesn’t even matter if the topic is peta or mothers against drunk driving or the other 20 odd organizations the CCF targets. They use people like bkk group for their own purposes and most are not informed enough to know the difference.
 
I have an open mind, though if you're going to comment, flare, troll, flame and ridicule my opinion then I believe it is you my friend that does not have as open a mind as myself.

Although I do not like PETA for my own reasons, I have nothing against them personaly. Just sit back, watch and listen to what they do. It's a pointless argument, and nothing will be resolved here online simply because everyone has extreme opinions on either side of the board for their own reasons. It's a good article put out by PETA yes.

If wuv or another mod would kindly step in and close this topic before tempers flare and everyone gets in a rumble it would be appreciated.
 
Sandusky said:
I have an open mind, though if you're going to comment, flare, troll, flame and ridicule my opinion then I believe it is you my friend that does not have as open a mind as myself.

Although I do not like PETA for my own reasons, I have nothing against them personaly. Just sit back, watch and listen to what they do. It's a pointless argument, and nothing will be resolved here online simply because everyone has extreme opinions on either side of the board for their own reasons. It's a good article put out by PETA yes.

If wuv or another mod would kindly step in and close this topic before tempers flare and everyone gets in a rumble it would be appreciated.
Did i miss something? Have you participated in this thread or are you snowyangel under a different user name? :huh:
 
Nope, I've not participated, and I'm not snowyangel for one thing, you might not remember the thread about sterio types and how goths are singled out as violent, but I replied with warm respect and adore for your opinion in there under this very name.

I'm just stating my opinion and asking that this whole thread be closed because as I've said it's ulitmately going to become a flame war. I like this forum and it's got a good reputation as being the Friendliest around, but let's not spoil it by arguing amungst ourselves.
 
ok Sandusky i think i remember what you're talking about. my memory of threads is pretty poor though. it's all good :)
 
It seems that General Talk mode has spread into the betta forum. Everybody needs to get off the edge of their seat because I will not see yet another PETA thread turn in to what it usually does. But nice try!

snowyangel has posted her link for all to see and that's perfectly fine and dandy. But I agree with Sandusky , the topic needs to end here.
 
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