Fish Jacuzzi

[Aquascaper]

[http/www.reef-one.com/aquarium-care/choosing-and-buying.htm] There is a good choice of cold water fish available, tropical fish can be kept if an aquarium heater is fitted inside the aquarium. The suitability of fish depends largely on their adult size, behaviour and  requirements.  Hardy varieties of fantail goldfish are a good choice for Reef One aquariums. Avoid fancier varieties such as celestials, bubble eyes and pearl scales which can be harder to care for and  Oranda which can grow too big. Common goldfish are fast swimming and boisterous, they shouldn’t  really be mixed with fantail goldfish, they are better suited to very large aquariums or ponds.

Common goldfish, such as comets and shubunkins usually have a single flat tail and cigar shaped bodies. Fantail goldfish have long tails which look like two tails joined together. Their bodies are shorter and rounder.

Smaller cold water fish such as white cloud mountain minnows are very hardy fish, a shoal of six (three at a time) can be mixed with fantail goldfish.

Small ‘cool water’ fish can be kept providing you use an aquarium thermometer to check that the temperature in the aquarium does not drop below 190C (170C at night). These type of fish include danios, some guppies and platys amongst others. These shouldn’t be mixed with goldfish.

Considering goldfish, whether fancy or not, need a minimum of 20g for 1 and 10g per additional fish the above info is pointless in this thread IMO.

BiOrbs are small tanks therefore only a small number of small fish should be kept in them.
I don't see any problem with Netherways keeping a single juvenile angel in one as he has already mentioned that it is temporary.
By adding a valve on the airline you may be able to reduce the flow of bubbles but, as mentioned previously, this may reduce the effectiveness of the filtration system so check the water parameters frequently at first to make sure it is adequate if you fit a valve.

To finish: IMO a fish is happy if it shows no sign of distress, disease or discomfort and behaves in a 'normal' manner.

 

[fraservet]

It is a Nice Tank, and Does Not Require Maintenance Like A Standard Tank.

We Currently have been Doing Water Changes Every 5-8 Weeks with NO ADVERSE affects on the Fish In it.

Could you explain how this tank requires less maintenance than "normal" tanks?

I'm not particularly familiar with the bi-orb except for how it looks, I assume it runs an undergravel filter of some sort?

Generally in my experience, small tanks like this need more maintenance than larger tanks.

In most normal tanks with fairly hardy fish, doing a water change every 5-8weeks will not show any adverse effects - in the short term anyway.
The fish will however be put under increased stress, will be more prone to illness, will probably not have as good colour, and will not grow as well.


I agree that there is nothing wrong with keeping a young angel in a tank like this, provided it has somewhere else to go once it gets a bit bigger. (I wouldn't have a bi-orb myself though, but that's personal choice)


On another note, since this is a text based forum, it is easy to take what someone is saying in the wrong context, particularly where criticism is involved, and where you may be expecting negative responses. Try to look at replies in a slightly more positive manner. - this is why I hate text messages.

 

[David]

Netherways, I can sympathize with your decision to buy the biorb because it goes well with the rest of your decor and will look good in conjunction with it... however, the "look" of your tank should always be only second to the health and happiness of your fish. JMHO

 

[Zorba]

Netherways,
I had the exact same thing when i posted pics of my tank. I wasnt even asking a question, but everyone seemed it would be appripriate to blast me about my choice of fish the size of the tank, even tho they are talking full size when my fish are only juvies (if that)

see the "my tank" link in my sig.

I think that if people ask a question, people should answer the question posted, not make assumptions on the persons situation and tell them what to do with their own fish.

 

[jacblades]

Netherways,
I had the exact same thing when i posted pics of my tank. I wasnt even asking a question, but everyone seemed it would be appripriate to blast me about my choice of fish the size of the tank, even tho they are talking full size when my fish are only juvies (if that)

see the "my tank" link in my sig.

I think that if people ask a question, people should answer the question posted, not make assumptions on the persons situation and tell them what to do with their own fish.

i dont think there was any "blasting" going on. in this thread or the one in your sig, blob.
most people are here because we care about fish and want to make sure that people who own them are educated. we dont know what knowledge you already have and its really not going to hurt to hear something twice.
if you already know what others tell you, then thank them for alerting you and politely say that you already know. you dont have to be offended because someone may tell you, "your fish will grow too big for that tank"
dont get wound up over someone on the internet!

 

[bunjiweb]

Some people are far to quick to jump in guns blazing criticising this guy when he clearly has a bigger tank ready.

Some people need to sit back and get their head out of the tropical fish bible, as fish health and circumstances varies in every tank.

Ben

 

[Netherways]

Hi All,

Thanks for all your comments, this forum appears to be slightly different in attitude to ones I usually frequent but I will have to get used to that.

With regard to my original problem all has now been sorted.
I spoke to the technical department at Reef-One this morning (The makers of the BiOrb) and they have given me advice on how to use an air valve to reduce the water agitation without having an averse effect on the fish or any of the Tanks systems. I will still be keeping a close check on all the required levels in the tank and also look out for any visible signs of stress on my fish which may arise due to the change.

If any other BiOrb owners would like instructions/pictures on how to do this I am more than happy to take the time to explain (PM Me if you are worried you will be deemed a "non enthusiast" for possesing such a horrible prison/torture tank in which we obviously attach electrodes to our fish and string them up to die)

Once again, thank you to all you lovely people who have given me encouragement since I joined here and to all those who's comments may have been less encouraging/mis-interpreted....well... Perhaps another time eh?

Just for those who have not yet realised..... The Angelfish is about the size of a 50p peice including all the fins and floats happily around at the moment. The second I feel she is looking even slightly too big or distressed she WILL be moved to the 46 gallon tank which should give her plenty of room...or perhaps I shall get shunned there too for not owning a 1560 gallon fully airated room for her with satellite tv, fully fitted bar and 24hr room service.

Ho Hum!

Alex

 

[kev]

I see no where in his original post stating he had a bigger tank??

Just because the fish is small and "fits" in the tank doesn't mean that he will be happy with not being able to move far.

If you have a puppy you wouldn't keep him in a cupboard until he was too big before letting him go in the garden would you - But I bet he would appear happy in the cupboard - As long as he was clean, fed and watered - I think this situation is the same.

We Currently have been Doing Water Changes Every 5-8 Weeks with NO ADVERSE affects on the Fish In it

This worries me - Why leave it so long - every week a 20 - 30% change will make sure the fish stay that much healthier - and it won't take long. - Also a good excuse to get away from your desk

 

[Netherways]

Kev,

I see no where in his original post stating he had a bigger tank??

You Obviously did not read the first line....From the narrow-mindedness of some of your posts on this forum, not just this topic, that - however - does not supprise me.

Please see the below quote from the first line of my original post. I would like you to concentrate on the first 6 words if that isnt too hard?

As one of my smaller tanks I've bought one of these "eye candy" BiOrb's from reef one to go in to the study at home.

 

[jacblades]

just another reminder-ITS THE INTERNET!
netherways-you dont have to use sarcasm and be snide, you can just ignore him.
kev-he is not going to listen to you no matter what so i doubt its worth your time responding

 

[MistyCherise]

I'm not here to measure who's aquarium is bigger, such behavior is rather childish and really makes learning about the aquarium hobby difficult. I've kept aquariums of many sizes, large and small, over the years with a variety of fish, so I know that each aquarium is its own individual environment that needs to be treated as such. Aquariums should be judged on whether the fish they contain act in a normal, healthy, disease free manner. That being said, the size, shape, and outside appearance of the aquarium itself doesn't matter. I can understand why some people don't like bio-orbs, perhaps they just haven't had much luck in keeping them. I've met aquarist who couldn't keep a 10 gallon aquarium, but could keep a 150 gallon and vis-versa. Personally, I like the bio-orbs. I think they are very attractive aquariums. That being said, as long as a person pays attention to the important details like water quality, stock levels, and stress levels, there isn't really any reason there should be a problem with owning one. Netherways, in doing some research on bio-orbs I stumbled across this site Bio Orbs General Advise that you might want to glance at. It has some really great tips on keeping a well maintained Bio-Orb. Good Luck!

 

[Lynden]

Unfortunately, MistyCherise has failed to realize that this thread ended over two years ago.

Controversial thread it was, indeed, but I don't think it was controversial enough to dig up after two years of being over with

Really, how did you find this old thing? It almost looks like an argument I would get into! Me and Tiggs! Ahh, just like the "good" ol' days...

I'm not here to measure who's aquarium is bigger, such behavior is rather childish and really makes learning about the aquarium hobby difficult. I've kept aquariums of many sizes, large and small, over the years with a variety of fish, so I know that each aquarium is its own individual environment that needs to be treated as such. Aquariums should be judged on whether the fish they contain act in a normal, healthy, disease free manner. That being said, the size, shape, and outside appearance of the aquarium itself doesn't matter. I can understand why some people don't like bio-orbs, perhaps they just haven't had much luck in keeping them. I've met aquarist who couldn't keep a 10 gallon aquarium, but could keep a 150 gallon and vis-versa. Personally, I like the bio-orbs. I think they are very attractive aquariums. That being said, as long as a person pays attention to the important details like water quality, stock levels, and stress levels, there isn't really any reason there should be a problem with owning one. Netherways, in doing some research on bio-orbs I stumbled across this site Bio Orbs General Advise that you might want to glance at. It has some really great tips on keeping a well maintained Bio-Orb. Good Luck!

Well said, well said. Very good first impression you have made (I see that this is your first post, MistyCherise) here today. Keep it up!

-Lynden

 

[SamUK]

Netherways,
I had the exact same thing when i posted pics of my tank. I wasnt even asking a question, but everyone seemed it would be appripriate to blast me about my choice of fish the size of the tank, even tho they are talking full size when my fish are only juvies (if that)

see the "my tank" link in my sig.

I think that if people ask a question, people should answer the question posted, not make assumptions on the persons situation and tell them what to do with their own fish.

i dont think there was any "blasting" going on. in this thread or the one in your sig, blob.
most people are here because we care about fish and want to make sure that people who own them are educated. we dont know what knowledge you already have and its really not going to hurt to hear something twice.
if you already know what others tell you, then thank them for alerting you and politely say that you already know. you dont have to be offended because someone may tell you, "your fish will grow too big for that tank"
dont get wound up over someone on the internet!

wow you said all that i wanted too, thanx lol.


about jacblades's tank thread - we all love fish here so when people come and show off a tank where the fish arent going to have the best time then were gonna tell ya.


and this thread, and any thread like this. its the internet, if you dont like what someone says then just ignore them!


if people think this forums bad, spend a day in a games console forum. you actually need a flame proof suit in there lol.

 

[dwarfgourami]

Well, this 2004 thread seems to me the perfect rejoinder to the often-seen claim that this forum has got unfriendly and argumentative "of late". Like all forums it goes up and down a bit, as individuals come and go, have a bad day, get into a better mood etc etc. All water under the bridge now, anyway.

 

[SamUK]

Well, this 2004 thread seems to me the perfect rejoinder to the often-seen claim that this forum has got unfriendly and argumentative "of late". Like all forums it goes up and down a bit, as individuals come and go, have a bad day, get into a better mood etc etc. All water under the bridge now, anyway.

LOL!

i never notice stuff like that.

didnt even think there would be threads that old still around.