Fish for 30 gallon tank

I will speak to the issue of "how many plants", since I don't think I'm qualified to answer anything else. :)

I assume you are using plastic or silk plants, as opposed to live plants. This is just from the looks of your tank -- perhaps you have a combination of both types. Nothing wrong with any of that. Assuming your plants are not live, there is no real limit on how many you use. Of course, adding more plants will be more expensive, so that part depends upon you. And at some point, the volume of your plants could start to take away from the volume of water left for your fish to swim in, but I assume you're not thinking of adding that many plants! :D

My guess is that you are not quite happy with your "aquascaping" -- you might not really like the way your plants are set up, but you're not sure why.

Here is my suggestion -- start looking at planted tanks (people who keep live plants with their fish) and find out what you like. You can start by looking at the Member's Aquarium and Fish Pictures board on TFF or you can just look up "planted tanks" on Google. After looking for a while, you'll certainly get an idea of what you, personally, find aesthetically pleasing.

For example, I love the look of live plants and don't mind the upkeep, so that is what I have. But I don't care for the heavily planted tanks that some people have. (I can appreciate them, and the work that goes into them, but they just don't ring my bells.) I also didn't care for the sparse look, or the single specimen look (just one or two kinds of plants in abundance). But eventually I found a style of planting that I did like, and that's how my tank is planted now. Basically, if you look at enough pictures, you'll find your niche.

The other thing that looking at planted tanks will do is that it will give you an idea of the way plants will naturally grow when left alone in a tank. Does this plant stay spindly and grow taller? Will it branch and become very full? Will it spread from the root system and start to fill a corner of the tank? Knowing these things will help you to replicate that look in your own tank. Once you know what you want your tank to look like, you can try to re-create that look in your own aquarium with silk or plastic plants. Making a "fake" plant look real may require you to bunch two or three silk or plastic plants (of the same type) together, but you will be much happier with the result.

Finally, I will say that most aquatic plants (live) are considered to be either foreground, midground, or background plants. This has a lot to do with how tall (and sometimes how full) they will be. Following these guidelines will help you to have a more pleasing tank as well -- taller plants in the back/center, shorter along the front/sides. Also, there are "specimen" plants -- plants that are used as a feature piece, perhaps in the center of the tank, because they are particularly large, attractive, or just plain cool. The Madagascar Lace Plant is a good example of this. You might want to try that as well.

Just some thoughts about "planting" without live plants. I really do think you can have it all nowadays -- the silk and plastic plants can look surprisingly real, and require far less care than most live plants.

Good luck,
Pamela

PS -- I personally like to have something taller in front of my filter intake and heater, just so people notice the plant rather than the hardware. Just a tip -- take it or leave it. :)
 
i actually think another few rosy barbs might be a good idea
1 might be a little lonely in there by itself
 
raquelds said:
Nope, the whole top is open. By "Eclipse compatible" they mean that its a standard aquarium size so the Eclipse hoods should fit on them. Mine is all open except a piece of acrylic at the top in the middle, running from the front to the back of the tank (for support I guess).
Thanks for the info,
do you notice any bowing of the acrylic in the front or the back?

Also what kind of stand did you get for yours?

Again thanks for the info.

Tony
 
raquelds said:
Nope, the whole top is open. By "Eclipse compatible" they mean that its a standard aquarium size so the Eclipse hoods should fit on them. Mine is all open except a piece of acrylic at the top in the middle, running from the front to the back of the tank (for support I guess).
Sorry,
one more question:
Is the eclipse 3 hood loud?
I read some reviews where people complained that the filter/pump in the hood was very loud.

I generally don't pay alot of attention to these reviews because they are generally people who just like to rant for no reason.

Thanks,

Tony
 
snorkel said:
raquelds said:
Nope, the whole top is open. By "Eclipse compatible" they mean that its a standard aquarium size so the Eclipse hoods should fit on them. Mine is all open except a piece of acrylic at the top in the middle, running from the front to the back of the tank (for support I guess).
Thanks for the info,
do you notice any bowing of the acrylic in the front or the back?

Also what kind of stand did you get for yours?

Again thanks for the info.

Tony
No bowing, snorkel. But the two front "corners" are not sharp, they are rounded.

As far as a stand, I got one to match the stand for my 15 gallon. Its black, some type of wood (not real wood, but the kind you get when you buy the furniture in a box that you have to put together). I had to assemble it, but it was easy. I forget the name of who makes it. Just make sure if you're buying a stand to get one that a) can hold the weight of your aquarium (the box should say what size aquarium it can hold, and B) has a large enough top for the aquarium to fit on completely.
 
snorkel said:
Is the eclipse 3 hood loud?
I read some reviews where people complained that the filter/pump in the hood was very loud.
I don't think the eclipse hoods are loud. You can definitely hear water, but that's normal, and relaxing. javascript:emoticon(':)')

When I first set it up, you could definitely hear the motor for the first day or so, but that goes away pretty quickly. It even tells you in the instructions that you will hear noicse the first few days. That's why I hate reading customer reviews myself. I love the hood. My favorite thing is the bio-wheel which keeps the beneficial bacteria through water changes and everything.
 
pahansen said:
I assume you are using plastic or silk plants, as opposed to live plants.

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Just some thoughts about "planting" without live plants. I really do think you can have it all nowadays -- the silk and plastic plants can look surprisingly real, and require far less care than most live plants.

...

PS -- I personally like to have something taller in front of my filter intake and heater, just so people notice the plant rather than the hardware. Just a tip -- take it or leave it. :)
Pamela, thanks for that great post! You had some suggestions I never thought of.

You're right, I am using a combination of plastic and silk plants. I tried live plants with my first aquarium, and it was too much for me! I did enjoy the way they looked though, and have thought about going back to them. However, the more I read about African cichlids, the more I hear that they don't really care for plants and prefer a rocky environment, so I am thinking of taking out some plants and having more of a rocky/cave look going.

I do love the silk plants though... I think they look great, but I usually add some plastic into the mix because my LFS just doesn't have that many silk ones.

I have a silly question: as far as putting a plant in front of the filter intake, doesn't that decrease the filter's effectiveness?

Thanks again for all your help!
 
Hi. Glad you found the post helpful! As far as plastic vs. silk, some plants would be hard to replicate with silk because the real ones look more like, well, plastic. :D Anacharis is a good example of a plant which shuold probably be recreated in plastic. http://animal-world.com/encyclo/fresh/plants/anacharis.php Even some of the more "grass" type plants could probably look good in plastic. So you'll probably end up with both kinds of plants regardless.

As for the filter, you're right -- you don't want a plant directly under/in front of the intake, but if you leave an inch or two of space, I think it should be fine. (At least I haven't noticed any problems here.) That might also be a good place for a plastic plant, since they're likely to give less in the current and will probably have tiny (rather than broad) leaves, which shouldn't block the filter flow. Basically, you'll be creating a pleasing distraction in the foreground, and hopefully the plant will catch your eye before the filter does. I've been using a tall, but more spindly, plant there. Nothing fluffy or really full to block the flow. Lots of stem and rosette plants fit that description.

Actually, my favorite plant for that spot was a sword plant, with the long stem and broad leaves (which were taller than the bottom of the intake), because the leaves would sway in the current from the filter. Very cool. But the pleco also liked it -- he could eat the leaves and "ride the waves" at the same time. So bye bye sword plant... :byebye: He really enjoyed it, but I couldn't afford to buy new sword plants twice a week!

Good luck,
Pamela
 
raquelds said:
No bowing, snorkel. But the two front "corners" are not sharp, they are rounded
do you mean inside corners at the top of the tank?

How do you like the Arcylic vs glass?
I went to the local Petworld and I can get a comparable glass tank (37gal) for 53 dollars and the sea clear 40 is 175 dollars, more than 3 times the price.

I am starting to think twice about ordering the acrylic one considering the difference in price, tha last glass tank I had lasted for 15 years and never leaked ( I got it when I was in 5th grade and had it until I graduated from college in 94.

Thanks,

Snorkel
 
No, I mean the front of the aquarium. It's not the whole front thats bowed, but the front edges... Here's a picture of what I mean:

corner.jpg


See how the front of the tank all the way on the right is curved?

Also, as far as how I like acrylic vs glass, I don't really like it any better. In fact there are some downsides to it. While it is superlight, I don't more my tanks around after I've set them up, so I don't really care about that. Also, I have never had a problem with my glass tanks breaking either. I don't like that I've already gotten dings inside the tank, just from moving decorations and taking out the filter intake tube to clean it. So you have to be really careful not to hit the inside of the tank when cleaning or adding decorations. Also, I really like the magnetic algae scubbers I use on my other tank, but my LFS told me I can't use them on this acrylic tank because it will scratch it. So now I have to use a little more muscle when i clean my tank. Don't get me wrong, its a very pretty tank, and I happened to get mine on sale. But I can tell you that sale or not, my next tank purchase will be glass.
 
So, I have made some changes to my tank. I took out some plants and added lots of rainbow rock to make caves and hiding spots for the cichlids.

I also sold the yellow labidochromis because he was bullying the eartheater, and I really like him even though he's not African. So sad... his eyes had a fungus on them because he was so stressed out. But once I sold the yellow lab, the eartheater started swimming around more and eating, and he's looking almost brand new.

Also, I bought some more fishies! Here they are, along with pics (sorry for their huge size):

tropheus kaiser



gold ocellatus



gold compressiceps


bemba julidochromis


clown pleco
 
I have kept rosey barbs since day 1 (well more like month 2, after I cycled my tank). All of mine have grown larger than 2 inches. The one adult I have now is easily 3.5. Easily. I have also had him going on 2 years now, and who knows how old he was when I bought him.

Barbs also like to be in groups - minimum of 4 - 6. If you only have 1 you can expect either very agressive bahaviour, or so shy/timid that they never come out and almost look sick.


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You sold 1 and got 5 more?? I really think you are pushing - if not over the limits for that tank. You are going to have to be really carefull with not overfeeding, and keep up on your maintenance - more gravel vac's and what not.
 

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