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First time aquarium, please help determining NTD. (with photos)

Ill do a full blown everything-test tomorrow, get all parameters, and probably start up a new forum to help me choose an appropriate community for my tiny-tank.

I have many questions brewing in me noggin (many substrate related) for a planted tank with potential Corys (my LFS has Panda Corys?)
But yeah, ill fire that up tomorrow i think :)
 
while i was beginning to feel like maybe i dont know what im doing, and maybe i shouldn't be doing it if im going to make miserable lives for our fishy friends.
I will always want to do the right thing by them, as I dont want to be a selfish kind of fish owner that will anything around in stressful situations, simply because i like looking at them.
Oh no! This makes me sad, please don't feel that way! It was clear from the way you were keeping such a close eye on your neons and the way you talked about the tank how much you cared about them, and that's 90% of the battle right there. You care and observe them carefully, and you're willing to learn and improve, so you're exactly the kind of hobbyist the aquarium hobby needs, and the kind who will take care of his fish.
Thank you so much for your empathy and keen interest in my situation, with all this lovely, wonderful information coming at me :)

But the support ive found here is lifting my inspiration! :D
I will always want to do the right thing by them, as I dont want to be a selfish kind of fish owner that will anything around in stressful situations, simply because i like looking at them.

I really should have started with a forum like this before my first purchase! Im so glad to have somewhere to come to for this kind of unbiased information now.
But this part is wonderful :)
There is so much to learn in this hobby, the first year or so especially, the learning curve is almost vertical, lol. Even people who've been in the hobby their whole lives still have plenty of things they can learn, there are so many types of fish, new scientific discoveries, the hobby has also changed a lot over the last 40-50 years. As new discoveries are made, it changes the way we do things.

You're also very much not alone in following poor advice, or making mistakes! We've all done it at some point, so you're in good company ;) It's what you do about them that counts, and you clearly want to do the best thing for them, even if it means saying goodbye to a fish you love.


Have a measure and see whether a 20 gallon tank is possible, you'd find your fish options opening up a lot, and even mollies can get quite large as they get older. a 20 gallon would really open up your choices. I think I've seen kuhli loaches recommended as possible in a ten gallon, but for sure a 20 gallon. They need a sand substrate, and also a small group, but they're not as demanding in terms of space as many other loach species. I've never kept kuhli's so you'd need to research them. And again, dwarf chain loaches could work in a 20 gallon. A 20 gallon really doesn't take up much more space than a ten, but does make a difference for the fish, and second hand tanks come up for a sale often, so doesn't need to be an expensive purchase, and your equipment and substrate could just be transferred.

If you are able to find that water quality report for your area, @essjay is our chemistry expert who can determine what your water hardness is. We need to know GH, KH and pH to be able to suggest potential fish. This was my mistake as a beginner. I didn't know or understand about GH, KH and pH, and ended up keeping my favourite fish in water that was much too hard for them, shortening their lifespans. I have them in softer water now, but the damage has likely already been done :( But I'm still glad I learned, and got them into softer water for the remainder of their lifespan, and will be better prepared to provide the right conditions for the next ones I get.
This is one of my group, otocinclus :)
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Sorry to hijack this thread, but at my work, they have a fish tank in the office, a Fluval 34L. I rehomed a clown loach with the LFS today. I asked them to take him in, no credit, nothing wanted, just a proper tank and him to be looked after properly.
If anyone knows the size of the Fluval 34L, you'd know it was no good for a clown loach.
Boris, the clown loach had got to about 6 inches before the guys listened to me and let me rehome him
On another note, clown loaches are fast.
 
Oh no! This makes me sad, please don't feel that way! It was clear from the way you were keeping such a close eye on your neons and the way you talked about the tank how much you cared about them, and that's 90% of the battle right there. You care and observe them carefully, and you're willing to learn and improve, so you're exactly the kind of hobbyist the aquarium hobby needs, and the kind who will take care of his fish.

But this part is wonderful :)
There is so much to learn in this hobby, the first year or so especially, the learning curve is almost vertical, lol. Even people who've been in the hobby their whole lives still have plenty of things they can learn, there are so many types of fish, new scientific discoveries, the hobby has also changed a lot over the last 40-50 years. As new discoveries are made, it changes the way we do things.

You're also very much not alone in following poor advice, or making mistakes! We've all done it at some point, so you're in good company ;) It's what you do about them that counts, and you clearly want to do the best thing for them, even if it means saying goodbye to a fish you love.


Have a measure and see whether a 20 gallon tank is possible, you'd find your fish options opening up a lot, and even mollies can get quite large as they get older. a 20 gallon would really open up your choices. I think I've seen kuhli loaches recommended as possible in a ten gallon, but for sure a 20 gallon. They need a sand substrate, and also a small group, but they're not as demanding in terms of space as many other loach species. I've never kept kuhli's so you'd need to research them. And again, dwarf chain loaches could work in a 20 gallon. A 20 gallon really doesn't take up much more space than a ten, but does make a difference for the fish, and second hand tanks come up for a sale often, so doesn't need to be an expensive purchase, and your equipment and substrate could just be transferred.

If you are able to find that water quality report for your area, @essjay is our chemistry expert who can determine what your water hardness is. We need to know GH, KH and pH to be able to suggest potential fish. This was my mistake as a beginner. I didn't know or understand about GH, KH and pH, and ended up keeping my favourite fish in water that was much too hard for them, shortening their lifespans. I have them in softer water now, but the damage has likely already been done :( But I'm still glad I learned, and got them into softer water for the remainder of their lifespan, and will be better prepared to provide the right conditions for the next ones I get.
This is one of my group, otocinclus :)View attachment 115583

Cheers again for the warm response! :)

I plan to do my best to ride out the curve you speak of, identifying its steep gradient indeed, lol, almost vertical yes.

And yeah, GH i think ive just briefly started to get my head around, but still have a bit to go.

KH, no idea whatsoever, or its relationship to GH also??? much to learn there. (but also was told by LFS i dont need to worry about it for freshwater? so havent probed it much)

pH has been an interesting ride too. At the beginning, pH would always rocket up and over the 7.6 low Ph test kit, within days of a water change, and then i found out the rock ornament i had purchased was a chalky limestone thing, that naturally ups pH for more marine style setups, which i had no idea of. But at least the LFS could help me with that question effectively by telling me about rocks and driftwood effect on pH. That particular employee seemed very motivated, when they have ample time to explain. (Im learning the good ones now ;) )

And you know, its funny you say, i did actually do a pH and GH test straight up on my tap water for a benchmark. Seemed logical to know the base so id know how much salts/mineral hardner stuff to add (Seachem Equilibrium) as a rule to water changes.
But i failed to record it because i thought id just remember :S. I believe GH comes out at about 3 drops of the GH tester, when done one at a time. The pH was actually very close to neutral (7) if im not mistaken.

Top notch idea on the transferring the equipment over to a 20Gal, as i think you may be right, i believe all my equipment could sustain that environment too actually. Might just need more substrate.

Anywho, Ill do all these tests again in daylight tomorrow, on the tank and the tap, and ill start up my Please Help! A Newbies Guide to Everything thread and we can all get stuck into my ignorance :D (in the positive way!)
 

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