First Planted Tank hand holding required...!

I'll have a quiet word with her ;)

Do I just push the plants into the substrate...I mean, do I have to be really careful or will they take a bit of force?

Another question...I have been reading through some of the other posts in this section and see that some of you use the Dennerle fertilizers...is this going to be the next thing on my shopping list...along with the extra lights, clips, tweezers, divorce lawyer? If so, do I need some/all or build up a full collection slowly?
 
With stem plants gently hold the end with tweezers so the tweezers are almost vertical with the stem and gently push the stem into the substrate as far as possible then pull out a little so any roots face downward. You can plant bigger plants with a big root structure with your fingers, do the same so the roots grow downward. Hope that makes sense.

Dennerle ferts are excellent IME but a little more expensive than most. However they are quite economical long-term i.e. the E15 is a tablet that you add to the water changed once per month. You will only need one tablet once a month so a bottle of 20 will last nearly 2 years.

If you decide to get the Dennerle range then the essential ones are - S7, E15 and V30. S7 (vitamins, trace elements) you add weekly, E15 (iron, potassium, manganese) you add on the 15th of every month (or there abouts) and V30 (other micros) you add on the 30th of every month. These ferts are designed so that you perform a 25% water every 2 weeks. If you change more water than this you may need to add more fert as required. There are other ferts in the range but they're not essential. My suggestion is to by a bigger size of S7 as this is used the most - 2.5ml per week.

In summary you will need S7 - 2.5ml per week
E15 - 1 tablet per month
V30 - 2.5ml per month
(assuming you do 25% water change every 2 weeks)

Stick with your current set-up for now. You have the essentials - light, CO2, substrate. Possibly buy a cheap liquid fert to see you through the next couple of months. API Leaf Zone is good and a readily available in most LFS. There are plenty of others, most are similar.

You should have ok results with your 2 x Dennerle tubes for now, although you are just a little over 1 WPG. See how you plants do then maybe upgrade to more tubes later. Let me know before you go and buy some as I have an offer you may not be able to refuse!

If and when you are still on good terms with your wife then possibly buy the extras i.e. Dennerle ferts, tweezers etc. in a couple of months when the tank is up and running.
 
I'm having a great read so far...

I'm looking a spending a 'few quid' on a PH controller to go with my recently aquired CO2 valve.

gf225, is fine snad ok to use - I've had more luck with plants in this that our laterite, snad and gravel mix. should i phase it out before i 'go for broke with the new setup?
 
smithrc said:
gf225, is fine sand ok to use - I've had more luck with plants in this that our laterite, sand and gravel mix. should i phase it out before i 'go for broke with the new setup?
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If you're having success with sand then stick with it. My only concerns would be if you intend to grow root-feeding plants (Swords, Crypts). These require a deep, nutrient-rich substrate preferably. However, you can always add root tabs or insert laterite around the plant's roots. Also bear in mind that sand can compact over time so you may need to prod it occasionally. Bottom feeders may help too.

Good luck with the pH controlled CO2 system, wish I had the spare cash! I'm going for a basic Dennerle system soon, it will be running 24/7 initially - should be fine though, I only expect a pH swing around 0.2. I did think of getting a night shut-off solenoid (linked to lights obviously) but surprisingly I've heard from reliable sources that one experiences more pH instability with these. pH controllers are the way forward. Maybe next year with my Overtank T5 Luminaire!
 
If all goes to plan the PH system will have cost me £200 all in - once i've got all the bits - I was considering doing the diy co2 controller but it dosnt look teribly stable or quick to respond :)
 
thanks for more great info!!! Just got home from work (and am glad to be out of central London for a couple of days)...so let the fun begin!!!!
 
Well, my finger tips look like prunes, but I've done it!!!

The day didn't quite go as planned (my 20 month old daughter has a habit of wreaking havoc with the best laid ones ;) ) so I finished a little later than I had hoped, but stage one is well and truly complete!

The day started off with an early morning dash to Maidenhead Aquatics at Harlestone...I must have been early as they were still doing the feeding rounds ;) I picked up a decent sized bag of fine gravel and then straight back home (well, not quite straight, I did have a quick look at all the fishes first!).

First job was then to start to clean up the Laterite...when you said it might take a bit of cleaning, you weren't wrong were you!!!!! After what seemed like 300 buckets of coffee coloured water, I finally got to the 'that's clean enough' stage...next to the gravel (which seemed like a joy to clean after the laterite!).

I had unpacked all of the plants from Greenline yesterday, and they had been sitting in a bucket overnight. I took them all out, one by one and took off any dead leaves and gave them a good rinse. I was amazed at quite how many there were in the 30" pack!

Lot's of them were not quite what I had expected, and seemed more like cuttings than actual plants, but I guess they'll do their thing after a while anyway. It was during this job that I realised I had made my first minor mistake...I think in hindsight I would have bought the labelled collection so that I knew what the hell it was going into my (oops...daughters) tank!

Next, I trapsed upstairs with the Laterite, Gravel and plants. I spread a black bin liner onto the floor and laid all of the plants out. Where obvious I put like plants together, and similar looking plants into groups...(height/colour).

I removed all of the existing plants from the tank and was happy to see that some of them had already started to put out some quite long roots. These were the plants that had sent out the vertical runners with new leaves/roots appearing every 1.5-2". I'm not entirely sure what they are (I'll have to do some research) but they have a mid green long leaf (smooth edged). Anyway, I cut these runners to make new plants and added them to my collection on the bin liner.


I removed 50% of the water and started to add the Laterite to the tank. I then gave it a good mix...to be honest, I think the most muck came from stirring up the gravel, so my cleaning job on the Laterite must have done the trick. I then added the extra gravel and gave it a gentle slope from front to back...I also added a gentler slope at the two sides, not quite an amphitheatre (sp?) but you get the idea ;)

I then stared blankly at the plants - crunch time...and all of a sudden I felt a bit lost! Realising that it was a little bit to late to turn back I decided I just had to get on with it. Even though I didn't like the look of some of the plants, I decided to just plant the lot. I figured that I will see how they all react to the conditions and pull them out as necessary. As far as aquascaping goes...PAH! All I could even hope to do was plant the taller plants at the back and the shorter ones at the front. I figured I would then spend some time living with the tank and make adjustments over the coming weeks.

So, 30 minutes later, everything is sitting pretty ( well, sitting at least). I topped the tank back up and stared into a pea souper -_-

I pulled out the original Juwel tubes and swapped them with my fancy pants Dennerle ones...(easy!). (The light from these is actually really pleasing on the eye)

Had a quick tidy up and then went downstairs to make a start with the CO2. Followed the instructions and plonked them in the tank! I have also adjusted the output of the filter to reduce surface agitation.

Fist impressions aren't bad! Not quite a masterpeice yet, but if all goes to plan, one in the making ;)

I will try and get some pictures soon (and I'll have no sniggering when I do ;) )...thanks to everyone for their help...lets see where it takes me!
 
Fantastic mate. Welcome to the world of planted aquaria! No doubt you'll have some exciting times ahead, some ups and downs. Hopefully the downs will be minimal as you have some "expert" advice here. :nod:

Don't worry about final aquascaping just yet, let the plants get established for a couple of weeks before moving them around and upsetting them. You'll soon know what plants like your tank, concentrate on these to start with.

It's a long road ahead, patience is a virtue, can't think of anymore corny cliches at the moment!

I look forward to seeing some pics.

A few questions - what test kits do you have? Did you get some fertiliser? Hardscape?
 
I'm using the API master test kit for pH Ammonia, Nitrite and Nitrate...all of which read 0 as of last night (well, except the pH :blink: ). I think I will need to invest in a hardness test too?

Andy from Greenline suggested using some of his ferts ("Pro-Aqua-Plant") so I bought some (they were very cheap)...it's a small mesh pillow that you (apparently) just plonk in the tank...that said both the CO2 kits came with a 30ml trial size bottle of the Nutrafin "PlantGro". So I have enough of that to treat 420 Litres at a once a week dose.

I think longer term I will go with the Dennerle ferts that you mentioned in a previous post, but I'll wait until the missus has forgotten how much I've spent in this latest episode first ;)

As far as hardscaping goes, it's a bit of a shame really. I used to run a large (5'x2'x2') central American cichlid tank, and whilst working 'in the trade' during my time at university, I ammassed quite a respectable collection of nice bogwood. In the end, I gave the tank, fish and bogwood away...so am having to buy all over again :/ So far, I just have one piece of bogwood, quite a sturdy branch mid section...I also wanted some smooth pebbles, and after laughing at the prices the LFS's were charging, I ended up at a local stone merchants. They were selling some nice stones by the tonne...I explained I only wanted a few bit's for the daughters aquarium and they just told me to take what I wanted...no charge!

So not so much yet, I would like to get my hands on a multi rooted piece of bogwood, and some smaller smooth pebbles to complement what's in there already, but I'm in no rush...I'll just let this one evolve slowly. The more I research into planted tanks, the more fantastic tanks I see and the more Ideas I can pinch!

I'm going to see if I can find a thread on 'how to take a photo of your tank' and all being well take some snaps tomorrow!
 
I forgot about Andy's T-bags. Should do fine, the Plant-Gro should be ok too.

I would get a KH kit so you can test your CO2. Do you know how to do this yet? I can recommend the Nutrafin GH/KH kit. How accurate (increments) is the API pH kit? Nutrafin's Low-Range (6.0 to 7.6) pH kit is good too.
 
gf225 said:
I forgot about Andy's T-bags. Should do fine, the Plant-Gro should be ok too.

I take it I use one OR the other?

gf225 said:
I would get a KH kit so you can test your CO2. Do you know how to do this yet? I can recommend the Nutrafin GH/KH kit. How accurate (increments) is the API pH kit? Nutrafin's Low-Range (6.0 to 7.6) pH kit is good too.
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No, I don't know how to measure the CO2...and I guess it's something I need to know!

As far as the API pH test, it includes:

a 'Normal' (6.0-7.6) test in the following steps:
6.0
6.4
6.6
6.8
7.0
7.2
7.6

and a high range test (7.4-8.8 )
7.4
7.8
8.0
8.2
8.4
8.8
 
I woud use the t-bag to start with. Then use the plant-gro after a month or so if you're getting good growth.

To test for CO2 - test your pH - you will need the "normal" range kit. Test your KH - some kits measure in ppm (mg/l) so you will need to convert into degrees hardness. Just divide ppm by 17.9 i.e. 60ppm = 60/17.9=3.4 degrees. Now cross-refer these two readings on a CO2 table - see the link in my sig. Example pH 6.6, KH 4 gives 30ppm CO2 - an ideal situation.
 
thanks...will do!

Well, first peek at the tank this morning, and it seems to have cleared quite nicely...I have a small amount of floating debris, so will clear this with a net, and one plant has escaped it's hole!

The aquarium already looks much nicer, it's great to see the fish all appear from different parts of the tank!

The CO2 doesn't seem to be doing too much yet...I presume that the ladder needs to be pretty much dead vertical to work correctly...?
 
The CO2 will take a while to run properly - how long has it been running? The CO2 bubbles may get "stuck" too, don't worry it will sort itself out. The bubbles eventually coat the ladder and run smoothly up through the "maze". You should see a bubble every 8 seconds or so with the supplied sachets. Add more yeast for a higher output - obviously wait until you can test for CO2 first - your aim is 30ppm.
 

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