Fireworm!

Hello --

At university I kept a fair number of Odontodactylus and Gonodactylus species mantis shrimps (a.k.a stomatopods). I've also kept Squilla species caught in estuaries in Florida for a while. They're very easy to look after and don't destroy aquaria. We kept about half a dozen in one tank, with the tank divided up with mesh partitions (they are highly territorial). Each shrimp was give a piece of PVC tubing as a burrow. We were studying their balance organs; unlike most other crustaceans, they don't have statocysts, gravity sensing organs a bit like out semi-circular canals. So how they know which way is up was (and may still be) a mystery.

These shrimps are smart and make excellent pets. They eat anything, from small snails through to chunks of prawn. There space requirements are minimal and they are astonishingly hardy: a 10 gallon tank with a bubble up filter and waste seawater from your main aquarium will suit most species just fine.

They are amazing animals. For example, each eye works like our pair of eyes, seeing binocular vision, so they can focus on two things at once. They have colour vision, but unlike ours, their vision extends into the ultraviolet. They are actually very ancient crusteaceans, with an ancestry going back around 350 million years (crabs, by contrast, only turned up in the last 100 or so million years). One of the cutest things about them is their "windscreen wiper" that seemingly fold out of nowhere and are used to clean their eyes.

Odontodactylus scyllarus was a smasher species, but never once did I see one try to break its way out. They don't think like that, because that would assume they realise that the glass was trapping them and on the other side is freedom. They're smart, but not that smart. Those videos you see with them smashing glass are staged, with glass used as a box with food on the other side, and the shrimps trained to smash glass to get food out. So long as you don't train them to do that in your aquarium, you're fine.

An example of how smart they are: We used the metal poles to feed the shrimps, sticking bits of prawn onto them. The matis shrimps would attack the food and then drag it into their burrow. After just ONE trial with a metal pole without food, they would recognise "empty" poles and ignore them. Show me a fish, even a pufferfish, that learns something in a single trial.

They will of course eat small fish, but there preferred prey is crustaceans and especially molluscs. I like this quote from mantis shrimp expert Dr. Roy Caldwell: "I find them far more interesting in an aquarium than most fish. The trick is finding the right species for the right tank".

Cheers,

Neale

PS There is a good site on their biology here:

http://www.blueboard.com/mantis/

And this site has some useful aquarium info:

http://saltaquarium.about.com/cs/msubpestm.../a/aa110498.htm
 
Didn't say they can't. I can break glass, too. Doesn't mean I go around smashing windows.

Only the "smashers" have this potential, and only when a certain size. Little 1-2 inch specimens can't. And none of the "spearers" can either. We kept dozens of specimens, and not one of them ever, EVER smashed anything other than prey animals (small crabs, periwinkles, etc.).

Mantis shrimps are dead nice pets, and well worth keeping. Far smarter than most fish, and some of them are much more colourful, too. They're very hardy. Highly recommended for the advanced hobbyist.

Cheers,

Neale

it says in the last post of yours that they can break glass....
 
There the one that make a clicking noise arn't they?

Thought I hav one when doing a water change kept hearing a clicking, then realised it was the laminat floor clicking benith mt feet as I move trying to listen in the tank.
 
There's 4 main causes of 'clicking' in a marine aqaurium:
  • Equipment - Dislodged glass thermometers, powerheads touching the glass, etc.
  • Invert Shells - As snails and hermits move around they can 'tap' the glass with their shells
  • Pistol Shrimp - Pistols make loud single clicks, never in quick sucession due to the claw that makes the water compress (and thus makes the noise) having to open. This takes a while as the muscle to close the claw is massive whereas the muscle to open it is tiny, the power being needed on closing the claw.
  • Mantis Shrimp - Mantis make multiple clicks in short bursts, ocassionally they will emit a single click which is why they are sometimes mistaken for Pistols
 
Pistols can go in quick sucession, I used to have two in my tank and when they ran into each other they would have a shoot out up to 6 times in 4 seconds or so, they have gotten to be really loud by now, glad they don't do it anymore. One of them clicked last night and the guy in the next room heard it.
 
Exactly, there was two of them, they were clicking one after the other. It is physically impossible for the Pistol shrimp to achieve the click rate of a Mantis, 2 (or possibly 3) times a second is probably the maximum whereas a Mantis can achieve about 5 or 6 clicks a second.

If you heard both together its easy to tell the difference but it's not surprising people mistake Mantis for Pistols and vice versa. The Pistol is cetainly louder though, enough to scare our cat :lol:
 
SO....isnt the issue that if it CAN break the glass that you should keep it in something stronger ( I.E. acrylic)? I mean they dont stay small forever...so wouldnt it be wise to plan ahead for their adult requirements? I have wanted to keep one of these in a 10-20 gallon on its own for a long time...only thing holding me back is the cost of the tank.
 
When I first started in the saltwater side of the hobby I didn't have a computer so there was (of course) no access to the internet. So when my first rocks gave up a mantis shrimp I had no idea what it was! I thought it was rather cute and I used to hand feed it!! Yup, I used to hold out pieces of shrimp and the mantis would carefully take the food from me! :S
It was a smasher and on occasion he (Kermit) would take a snail or a hermit crab but because I target fed him, he never took too many. I kept him in my reef tank and he made a nice pet for several years, a very interesting little critter. I would not pass up the opportunity to have another one! :) (Although now that I know better I'd keep him in a tank by himself and I think I would employ a feeding stick!! ;) )
 
All I can say is I've kept a couple of dozen of these things for extended periods, and seen labs that maintain them on on ongoing basis, and not once have I seen/heard of a mantis smash its way out of the aquarium. They are really easy to keep, hardy, and far more fun than most fish.

If you're really worried, get a "spearing" shrimp. Definitely check out Roy Caldwell's web pages. He's the foremost researcher working on them, and he has some useful stuff for aquarists.

http://ib.berkeley.edu/labs/caldwell/

Cheers,

Neale

SO....isnt the issue that if it CAN break the glass that you should keep it in something stronger ( I.E. acrylic)? I mean they dont stay small forever...so wouldnt it be wise to plan ahead for their adult requirements? I have wanted to keep one of these in a 10-20 gallon on its own for a long time...only thing holding me back is the cost of the tank.
 
aquascaper you don't seem to understand, I would here three to four clicks from one, then three to four from the other, they weren't the same size and you could tell them apart by sound, unfortunately I am down to one now.
 
Well the goodnews is that i've got two pictures of this little terror, whatever it is....The bad news is that photobucket has greyed out most of the picture for some reason :dunno: I'll try reloading them up later. The one picture has a normal bristleworm right next to this thing so you can see the comparison.

Anyhow.... This things is actually shiny gold and shiny bronze not the brown i though, Look quite nice apart from the rest Yikes!

Watch this space

Dan
 
Come on Dan Fess up, there aint a Mantis Shrimp is there, you'r only doing this to get your post count up :shifty: ;) :lol:


You got yer Leaking RO Unit fixed yet or are you still knee deep in RO in the bathroom :lol: :p :lol:

D. :nerd:
 
Come on Dan Fess up, there aint a Mantis Shrimp is there, you'r only doing this to get your post count up :shifty: ;) :lol:


You got yer Leaking RO Unit fixed yet or are you still knee deep in RO in the bathroom :lol: :p :lol:

D. :nerd:
:lol: :nod: Anything to get rid of that 'Fish Addict' BS out of there :lol:
Hey how did you sneak ahead of me?

Yep thank god, RO is in perfect order and is making water faster than ever. A week's worth of top ups used to take about 1 hour now it's about 10mins, So i'm all good :D When the membrane needs replacing i'll whack the 100GPD in there though :D

Well here is the little bad boy, Doesn't look like a mantis or a bristleworm :S

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mant2.jpg


Hmmmm Next post count thread....'I just added a regal tang to my tank' ;)

:) Dan
 

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