cheesy feet
Fish Aficionado
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Firemouths And Convicts.
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Nevergone815
Fish Herder
I don't want anyone to get too crazy by this, but stunting is mainly a problem with cyprinid (sp) species of fish. In this thread:
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look for the post by jayjay on the first page. It was a writeup nmonks did about stunting of fish. I found it an interesting read and sheds some light on the "stunting myth". Like I said, I found it interesting, and thought I would share it on this thread since it seems appropriate.
http
/www.fishforums.net/index.php?showto...amp;hl=stuntinglook for the post by jayjay on the first page. It was a writeup nmonks did about stunting of fish. I found it an interesting read and sheds some light on the "stunting myth". Like I said, I found it interesting, and thought I would share it on this thread since it seems appropriate.
I don't want anyone to get too crazy by this, but stunting is mainly a problem with cyprinid (sp) species of fish. In this thread:
http
look for the post by jayjay on the first page. It was a writeup nmonks did about stunting of fish. I found it an interesting read and sheds some light on the "stunting myth". Like I said, I found it interesting, and thought I would share it on this thread since it seems appropriate.
There are different beliefs in the aquarium world for most things. Personally, I believe fish can be stunted. If you put a young fish ie. dovii, in a tank that's barely big enough for him and he's supposed to grow to 2', I think it will be dead and stunted before it breaks the glass from being too big so it can grow more. In the best case scenario, the fish will be deformed and have a curved spine. I would consider that stunted.
I've also seen articles that show fish can be stunted and what it does to their organs. Like the paper you quioted, it's backed by experiments. It just matters which you choose to believe. They both may be wrong, they both may have certain truths to them. I'm not a scientist and don't conduct my own experiments so I can't say with 100% surety which is correct I can only say what I believe to be true.
Either way, the filtration needed for 2 6" cichlids in a 10g tank wouldn't even fit onto the tank and even if it did there would be so much current they would be stressed.
A 10g is way too small for a pair of convicts.
Thanks for posting that article, it's always good to hear every side so we can all choose the best decisions. I especially like articles that differ from what I believe for just that reason.
Nevergone815
Fish Herder
Like I said, I just found it interesting. Like you, I havn't done any of those experiments to find out the truth, nor would we want to. I beleive that if yuo keep the water changed frequently and decent filtration on the tanks then you could pull it off, but it's too much for the average person. I don't consider spine deformities as "stunting" persay, but t is a negative effect of poor care.
When I keep mine in a 10 gallon to BREED ONLY (just wanted to make sure people saw that who skim posts
), the tank is over filtered, the other side is blocked off with plants so that the cons don't get a strong current and the water is changed 2x 50% per week. That's a lot of time, but it is only for a week or 2 until they spawn, for some reason I notice they just attack each other and don't breed when they are in something bigger or with other fish. So the smaller space taes away that complexity (maybe I have some weird fish 
). But anyways... the cons are put back into a larger environment, no later than a month after spawning. So I woul't see mine get stunted from that. I recently lost the female, because I tried ot breed her to a different male and even though I used dividers, they looked good to me and she just wouldn't do anything with him and he kept trying to beat her into submission and well, I removed her and she died in the hospital, I feel really bad about it . So the male is in a nice "small" 55 gallon cichlid community with no females he can breed to and some other males (including the mae that killed his girl- good thing he doesn't know that 
).
I just thought the study in that thread was interesting. Either way, we don't actually know which is best because we wouldn;t put our fish through the test to find out. Also, I jsut wanted ot point out, that I enjoy having these discussions with you Gatorbait. We keep it the way it's supposed to be. Nice, friendly, flamming free without any hard feeling towards the other and we think don't think less of the others' because of slight difference in opinion. I thought you would enjoy that little read and by your response you did.
When I keep mine in a 10 gallon to BREED ONLY (just wanted to make sure people saw that who skim posts
), the tank is over filtered, the other side is blocked off with plants so that the cons don't get a strong current and the water is changed 2x 50% per week. That's a lot of time, but it is only for a week or 2 until they spawn, for some reason I notice they just attack each other and don't breed when they are in something bigger or with other fish. So the smaller space taes away that complexity (maybe I have some weird fish ). But anyways... the cons are put back into a larger environment, no later than a month after spawning. So I woul't see mine get stunted from that. I recently lost the female, because I tried ot breed her to a different male and even though I used dividers, they looked good to me and she just wouldn't do anything with him and he kept trying to beat her into submission and well, I removed her and she died in the hospital, I feel really bad about it . So the male is in a nice "small" 55 gallon cichlid community with no females he can breed to and some other males (including the mae that killed his girl- good thing he doesn't know that ).I just thought the study in that thread was interesting. Either way, we don't actually know which is best because we wouldn;t put our fish through the test to find out. Also, I jsut wanted ot point out, that I enjoy having these discussions with you Gatorbait. We keep it the way it's supposed to be. Nice, friendly, flamming free without any hard feeling towards the other and we think don't think less of the others' because of slight difference in opinion. I thought you would enjoy that little read and by your response you did
.I just thought the study in that thread was interesting. Either way, we don't actually know which is best because we wouldn;t put our fish through the test to find out. Also, I jsut wanted ot point out, that I enjoy having these discussions with you Gatorbait. We keep it the way it's supposed to be. Nice, friendly, flamming free without any hard feeling towards the other and we think don't think less of the others' because of slight difference in opinion. I thought you would enjoy that little read and by your response you did
Exactly.
I liked reading it over and am glad you posted it. I'm pretty old school when it comes to aquariums and I realize there's more I don't know than I do so it's always interesting and educational to read what others think and why. I'm not about to think that I know everything and my way can't be changed because as soon as someone thinks that way, they will stop learning.
On more than one occasion, there will be times where you or someone else will be able to reply to me about something that will educate me or help me better understand something and I will be extremely appreciative for it. The only thing I don't like is when someone acts like there way is the only way and talks like it because then I get on the defensive and don't learn anything from them. Luckily, there isn't anyone here that is like that. I learn a lot from a lot of people and I can guarantee you that you and just about everybody here knows more about every fish out there other than large aggressive cichlids and piranhas than I do or ever will. That's not to say that I know about large cichlids and piranhas than anyone it's just that's where my specialties are and the only fish I've kept for the most part.
In the future I hope you continue to post something that you agree with that differs from what I say. It's not only fun and interesting but anyone who reads it can probably take something from it in an educational way.
Thanks again, Nevergone.
Nevergone815
Fish Herder
You're very welcome!
And thank you too!
As for differences, there is so much gray area in fish keeping it isn't even funny. Finding the middle ground is the key, and the only way to do that, is by doing what we're doing now, by sharing articles and experiences to help someone decide what is best for themselves and their fish.
As for the piranhas... I hate living in NY... they're illegal here... As for the large aggressive cichlids, I am obsessed with convicts and their cousins, but recently I've been getting into the larger aggressive ones myself. I'm sure you were able to tell by a few of my posts .
Hope to continue such informative and peaceful discussions and "debates" with you in the future. And I know what you're tlaking about with people acting liek they know everything... I hate that myself
... there seems to be a lot that we agree on 
.
And thank you too!
As for differences, there is so much gray area in fish keeping it isn't even funny. Finding the middle ground is the key, and the only way to do that, is by doing what we're doing now, by sharing articles and experiences to help someone decide what is best for themselves and their fish.
As for the piranhas... I hate living in NY
... they're illegal here... As for the large aggressive cichlids, I am obsessed with convicts and their cousins, but recently I've been getting into the larger aggressive ones myself. I'm sure you were able to tell by a few of my posts .Hope to continue such informative and peaceful discussions and "debates" with you in the future. And I know what you're tlaking about with people acting liek they know everything... I hate that myself
... there seems to be a lot that we agree on .
cheesy feet
Fish Aficionado
Yeh it's fine if you overfilter and do big water changes(like you have done) .But most people wouldn't be able to keep up with that & it would be easier for them to just get a 20 gallon+.I have not read the article yet,will after i have posted
Hope to continue such informative and peaceful discussions and "debates" with you in the future. And I know what you're tlaking about with people acting liek they know everything... I hate that myself... there seems to be a lot that we agree on .
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I know what you mean people thinking they know everything
http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=186249
.But most people wouldn't be able to keep up with that & it would be easier for them to just get a 20 gallon+.I have not read the article yet,will after i have posted Hope to continue such informative and peaceful discussions and "debates" with you in the future. And I know what you're tlaking about with people acting liek they know everything... I hate that myself
... there seems to be a lot that we agree on .[/quote]
I know what you mean people thinking they know everything
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