Fin Rot? Or After Effect To Medication?

[Fraoch]

so a while ago i found one of my guppies had camallanus worms so i bought some medication online (Nematol). after waiting a while to egt it through the post i found that 2 more guppies had got the worms too, so when i got the medecine i treated the whole tank to be sure 4 days ago.
2 days ago i found 2 guppies dead, without any symptoms showing before hand. their tails had gone white with all the colour drained to a small bit of the tail. i thought the tails were ragged from the other fish eating them.
yesterday i did and 80% water change as the medicine instructions said but found all my other female guppies werent eating much and staying at the surface. 2 were bad enough i seperated them to a breeders trap to stop the others nipping them. today one is so weak that you almost need a magnifying glass to see its gills moving. its fins are white and her tail is really ragged and white fungus looking at the base.
is this fin rot or a bad reaction to the medication?

 

[Fraoch]

the worst guppy is still alive but has no tail left she sits vertical in the breeders trap with her nose resting on the bottom. every now and again she jerks, trying to swim, should i put her out of her misery or is there something i can do to help her?

EDIT; update; the worst guppy is now looking alot better, she can swim slowly around and stays upright and eats a little bit. the other guppy is fine now and i let her back into the tank.
i did a water test and the nitrite and ammonia have spiked right up.

 

[Fraoch]

ok, so another update. another guppy has died, aswell as another almost dead right now. there was ammonia and nitrite spikes before and 1 neon tetra was the casualty of them but it had settled out now.
It seems to bee all the livebearers affected other than the make guppy. the 3 platies lie on the bottom and sometimes their back ends start floating upwards. one guppy is seriously thin and the other is getting thiner.
is this swimbladder, with the way they float to the surface and upside down?
im thinking about putting the last 2 guppies and 3 platies into my tiny QT tank and treating for simbladder?
someone please help

 

[scaeriefaerie666]

whatever is in your tank get it out! That's my advice. 50% water changes daily, and keep the ill ones separate. Get some activated carbon in there, and make sure there is tonnes of oxygen! That sounds intense, sometimes you get adverse reactions to medication but that sounds beyond extreme. Are you absolutely positive that you haven't overdosed at all. And no, it doesn't sound like finrot at all to me.
xxx

 

[Fraoch]

i am almost 100% positive i didnt overdose because i checked the measurements really carefully becuase i knew it was strong stuff.
ive moved the worst platy and guppy to the other tank. another 2 guppies have died, and the platy doesnt look good.
i started treating for swimbladder since the platy cannot stay the right way up anymore.

 

[scaeriefaerie666]

I'm sorry for your losses, it's always horrible to lose pets. Without seeing whats going on it's difficult to know, but just be careful not to have too many meds in there at the same time.
xxx

 

[Fraoch]

I'm sorry for your losses, it's always horrible to lose pets. Without seeing whats going on it's difficult to know, but just be careful not to have too many meds in there at the same time.
xxx

well, the only things i see the same on all the ones that have died is that their bellies look sunken in, liek somethings just sucked the insides out of them or something. and they have ripped fins. and just before they die they cant swim at all just float sideways on the surface. Its only the livebearers affected, with the male guppy being the only exeption.
the bad platy is not gasping and lying on the bottom of the tank and cant swim, so its not looking great for her.

 

[myrtle]

Could it be that the meds didn't kill the worms in time? Camallus worms are not nice and I can't imagine small fish like guppies lasting long once the worms are visible. The sunken bellies sounds like worms so that would be my conclusion.

 

[Fraoch]

Could it be that the meds didn't kill the worms in time? Camallus worms are not nice and I can't imagine small fish like guppies lasting long once the worms are visible. The sunken bellies sounds like worms so that would be my conclusion.

well two guppies that died first hardly had much of a sunken belly. one guppy that had the worms really bad had huge ones that were really visible and had them for quite a while since i couldnt get the medicine quickly. and she was REALLY skinny, but she only died yesterday and the others were nowhere near as bad as that.
EDIT; let me change that the male guppy is not staying on the surface and swimming in jerky movements.

 

[Fraoch]

another update; themale guppy who was swimming jerkly this morning, with in 6 hours has almost no tail left and cant swim.

 

[Fraoch]

the male guppy died only 2 hours after my last post. i took a photo of him but i cant get it up at the moment.
EDIT; i have noticed that all the ill guppies and even the healthy platys are almost see through anyway, but it looks like they are missing something on their insides? i can see through my blue mickey mouse platy and my red guppy and they both look empty where their swimbladders are supposed to be? does that area always look empty or is there something wrong with their insides?

and thank you so much to everyone that has helped me

 

[jessicab259]

No, I have a red guppy and a yellow guppy and they are thin but they arent REALLY thin. I used to have a mickey mouse guppy and no they arent usally like that. Mine had quite a fat tummy. Then again is your a male or female?

My mickey mouse guppy died of fin rot unfortunately though. The treatment I used was one that helped a lot of things but it wasnt effective as the fish was really ill and died just about an hour after I put the treatment in.

Anyway I hope the info helps and if you need anything else just keep posting.

Jessica
xx

 

[WILDER]

Do your fish show any of these symtoms.

Gasping at surface of tank?
Red, or purple gills?
Darting around tank, or signs of erratic swimming?
Swimming in circles?
Turning upside down.?
When you added the med did you increase aeration?

Camallanus worms do alot of damage to the internal organ resulting in secondary bacteria infections.
Onced you finished the course of worming medication, you than back up with a bacterial med.
A few weeks later you reworm the fish again to make sure the parasite as been eradicated.

Sorry for your losses.
R.I.P.

The fish might of already been to weak to handle the med. Also the damage had already been done before adding the med.