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mrcobrajet

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If I take one of the media (there are 3 packs of media in this filter) out of my Aquaclear 70 filter and put it in the bottom of the same tank... Will the ammonia eating bacteria still be there in this media in 2 weeks so I can use it to start a new tank? And how long does it take to build up ammonia eating bacteria in new filter media just inserted in a Aquaclear 70 filter that is used on a tank that is over a year old? As I want to have 2 used filter media to insert in a brand new start up tank in 2 weeks.
THANX
 
what type of media do you have in the filter?....you say you have 3....3 of what?
 
i normally use 2 foam inserts in my aquaclear filters.....nothing else
 
just wait till you setup the other tank.....then take one of the foams out and put it in the new tank/filter
 
Agreed... you can then fishlessly cycle that tank, or you could add about 1/4 of the bioload of the old tank to the new tank immediately and feel fairly secure that you would have no ammonia/nitrite spikes...  But, I would wait to add more sensitive species, as there is more to a tank than we can measure on an ammonia/nitrite/nitrate kit.  ;)  For whatever reason, some fish really do best being added to a 6 month old tank versus a brand new one, even if its fully cycled.  There's more going on than just ammonia oxidation...
 
 
I think adding live plants really gives a boost to the entire ecosystem of the tank, so that is always a plus, in my book.
 
But will the used CARBON filter media hold the ammonia eating bacteria also? As I am trying to get as much used media as possible for my new filter in my new  tank.  Also how long does it take new media in a old tank and filter to grow the ammonia eating bacteria?


Plus I have hornwort plants floating in my old tank... For the fry to hide in... I plan on putting hornwort in the new tank also.
THANX
 
Carbon filters are usually only used for ridding your tank of any medications you have been using, or the removal of 'tannis' from wood stained water. Yes, they may hold some beneficial bacteria, but by swapping them for the proper media such as sponge or ceramics will greatly increase the size of your colony.
By putting any media simply on the bottom of your tank will probably only keep the bacteria alive, and not increase their colony. They also need oxygen, adding a ait stone or air pipe through it will also increase it's existence. These bacteria are simply designed to cling onto something and have it's food delivered by the flow of water that goes over it, so being stationary at the bottom of a tank wont do alot of good.
If you are setting up 2 more tanks in a fortnight then yes, i would take some of the existing media, remembering to replace with new media. But i would also continue a short fishless cycle,  recording my results along the way before adding any fish.
 
Terry.
 
How long does it take the grow a new colony of ammonia eating bacteria in new media  that is put into a old established filter and tank? And that is replacing 1 of the media and the filter holds a total of 3. 
THANX
 
It takes six to eight weeks for new media to be colonised.
 
How long it may take to establish a sufficient colony is a function of a number of things. It can be done in as little as a few days or as much as many weeks.
 
Now lets talk bacteria and how much you will have in the normal tank. And the answer is, over time you will have exactly the amount it takes to handle the bio-laod of the tank. And this number will be reached no matter what type of filter you use, what is in the tank etc.
 
When you run a new filter or media in parallel in an established tank it does not create more bacteria, at best it spreads them out. bear in mind that the bacterial colonies will be the largest where ever thet can find the best supply of water bringing them food, oxygen and carbon. When you take a sponge out of your filter, drop it into the tank to settle where it may and put a brand new sponge into the filter here is what will happen.
 
Because the old sponge is no longer in the optimal place, the bacteria will not do as well nor reproduce as fast. However, the new sponge in the filter is now an optimal home and some bacteria will finds its way there. So two processes start to work together. In the old sponge the bacteria conditons become less favorable and the amount of bacteria living it will decline while the new sponge begines to see a concomitant increase on bacteria.
 
While pretty much no bacteria are moving from one place to the other as if they packed their bags and moved to a new home. They "recolonize" by how they reproduce at each location. More and more will be in the new sponge and less and less in the old.
 
TwoTankAmin said:
How long it may take to establish a sufficient colony is a function of a number of things. It can be done in as little as a few days or as much as many weeks.
 
Now lets talk bacteria and how much you will have in the normal tank. And the answer is, over time you will have exactly the amount it takes to handle the bio-laod of the tank. And this number will be reached no matter what type of filter you use, what is in the tank etc.
 
When you run a new filter or media in parallel in an established tank it does not create more bacteria, at best it spreads them out. bear in mind that the bacterial colonies will be the largest where ever thet can find the best supply of water bringing them food, oxygen and carbon. When you take a sponge out of your filter, drop it into the tank to settle where it may and put a brand new sponge into the filter here is what will happen.
 
Because the old sponge is no longer in the optimal place, the bacteria will not do as well nor reproduce as fast. However, the new sponge in the filter is now an optimal home and some bacteria will finds its way there. So two processes start to work together. In the old sponge the bacteria conditons become less favorable and the amount of bacteria living it will decline while the new sponge begines to see a concomitant increase on bacteria.
 
While pretty much no bacteria are moving from one place to the other as if they packed their bags and moved to a new home. They "recolonize" by how they reproduce at each location. More and more will be in the new sponge and less and less in the old.
 
 
excellent info, and i agree 100%
 

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